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Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Post by anon9001 » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 6:56 AM UTC

kingbirdy wrote: post #9

duelingjello wrote: post #4

Crows are social too, will hold a grudge... you's swear they were part Irish. A crow once sneaked quite far into my mechanic's shop without being seen, got up on a rolling toolbox and stole a bag of sunflower seeds without being noticed. I found this because I saw a crow and their other crow buddies were having a sunflower seed party in the alley, and one of the mechanics lost their snack. Also, crows will remember i…

>will hold a grudge... you's swear they were part Irish There's no need for this.

I love whenever crows become a topic online because people have all these amazing crow stories that they never have another reason to share.

How's about we allow a little local flavor while people tell their stories?

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Post by riffraff » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

edoo wrote: post #17

There are also videos on youtube of crows that learned to wait for the walk signal to walk into a crosswalk to drop off a hard nut shell that car tires then crush and they then walk back out to pick up the now exposed food.

I've seen crows do this on my own neighborhood, both on side streets with little traffic, and on main streets on the crosswalk. I had heard of crows doing this in Japan but was impressed to see this in central Europe (although it's corvus cornix, the grey-black kind, not the full black one)

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Post by buryat » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

what about orcas?

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Post by blackflame » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:00 AM UTC

Cats and dogs are smarter in every sense of the word. More neurons for one, but the most obvious reason is their ability to convey emotion. Emotion is by far the deepest level of reasoning because it has the ability to transcend pure Darwinism. Emotion is what separates the natural brain from the quantum computer version. True AI is emotion + reason. Without learning from the past, and applying a multiplier based on the severity of the consequence, we cannot accurately foresee potential warning signs of impending doom which is not very intelligent at all. This is why libtards like Dang are so smart.

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Post by mrtksn » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

Previously I heard about crows in Japan leaving nuts on the way of the cars to crash them when traffic lights are red and collecting them the next cycle. This summer I witnessed the exact same thing when I was driving through a particularly jammy traffic light here in Europe.

Are these crows inventing the method over and over again independently, like scientists finding the same thing at the same time in different parts of the world? Is this some very basic instinct that the crows evolved into? Are they teaching each other and now the Euro crows using Japanise tech? Fascinating creatures.

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Post by stevewilhelm » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

We also focus on the abilities of an individual.

There can be a fair amount of complex behavior of groups. Ants and plants for example

http://web.stanford.edu/~dmgordon/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2019/09/26/the-intellige...

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Post by newnewpdro » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:02 AM UTC

Lagogarda wrote: post #2

I hate these birds

They are a bit of a nuisance here, hate's a strong word but I'm at least a bit annoyed by them.

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Post by rkagerer » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:04 AM UTC

The "Just for Fun" link[1] leads to some entertaining videos:

Skiing down a roof: https://youtu.be/1WupH8oyrAo

My girlfriend's spirit animal: https://youtu.be/Qt-pB1R64mI

Teaming up to provoke a catfight: https://youtu.be/WQd9kuXpUYU

Nipping a sausage: https://youtu.be/Y0xwX5iOFok

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/10/scientists-investiga...

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Post by marmaduke » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:08 AM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #14

This article focuses mostly on problem solving, planning, and tool use as the primary hallmarks of intelligence. But what problem does writing a poem solve? Do you have to be intelligent to write a great poem? What about the intelligence need to compose a great whale song[1]? Or paint a great painting? These are things not measured on intelligence tests and that don't fit well in to scientific experiments because the…

Maybe the requirement of starting with problem solving to establish is an issue with the audience and not the author. Imagine starting out by showing the sorts of innovative play that crows engage in, and no one (or at least during blind peer review) would accept it as evidence of intelligence, even if it is.

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Post by rcfox » Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 7:09 AM UTC

anon9001 wrote: post #21

kingbirdy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>will hold a grudge... you's swear they were part Irish There's no need for this.

I love whenever crows become a topic online because people have all these amazing crow stories that they never have another reason to share. How's about we allow a little local flavor while people tell their stories?

Local flavour doesn't have to include stereotypes.