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Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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What's the value of 1 Kong in USD, showing that would be helpful on your website front page.

Kong is very new. Only a few thousand are out there. Frustratingly, or perhaps amusingly, it doesn't yet have an agreed upon value. I don't think it's appropriate for us to set one.

Uh, well, then how do you know what denominations to print? What if the exchange rate ends up by 10,000 Kong per dollar? Are you going to issue Zimbabwe-style bills? What about as the exchange rate fluctuates wildly?

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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No. The issue is because cryptocurrencies aren't classified as currencies like euros are by the IRS.

Actually yes because there's still capital gains.

I could not find a single reference about individuals paying cap gains tax on foreign transactions to buy goods & services in foreign countries, because that's absurd. Here's a quote that shows even companies don't have to pay it if they're using the normal currency of where they are and aren't doing anything weird with it

> To reduce the number of currency conversions required, the tax code uses the standard of FAS 52, which is the Financial Accounting Standards Board standard for foreign currency conversions. This allows the business to record most of its transactions in terms of its functional currency (FC), which is the currency that is generally used by businesses in the locale of the foreign unit or entity. Generally, under FAS 52, fluctuations in currency rates do not have to be accounted for unless the fluctuations change the cash flow for the business. In most transactions of a foreign business unit in a foreign country, cash flows are not affected by currency fluctuations. However, transactions between the parent company and its foreign subsidiary will result in a change of cash flow. As a consequence, gain or loss on the currency exchange will have to be included when calculating net income.

https://thismatter.com/money/tax/foreign-currency-transactio...

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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There's a distinction that Kong is not payable on demand, until after expiry, but I'm not sure it's a useful distinction. Unlike a conventional bond, there isn't a question of default by the issuer; the Etherium is locked up in a smart contract, rather than relying on the issuer honouring the bond at maturation. Rarely do users of cash care about the property of it being payable on demand by the issuer (conventionall…

Here the risk is that the note becomes physically damaged in some trivial way and the value is lost forever. Maybe it's bent too far over in one direction, maybe something heavy falls on it, etc, etc.

That physical cash can become damaged is nothing new. Maybe this implementation could be easily damaged in some way, I don't think this threatens the concept of silicon cash generally.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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Here the risk is that the note becomes physically damaged in some trivial way and the value is lost forever. Maybe it's bent too far over in one direction, maybe something heavy falls on it, etc, etc.

That physical cash can become damaged is nothing new. Maybe this implementation could be easily damaged in some way, I don't think this threatens the concept of silicon cash generally.

Physical cash is both very resilient and if damaged can be replaced. This is neither.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

#365
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This is pretty clearly false. People use things with this property to hedge inflation risk all the time (e.g. gold).

Those things arent currencies. And it seems people have solutions to hedge against inflation already. That use case isn't the point. Point is it being not tied to a state level actor is only useful if you can use it to get out from underneath the control of an oppressive regime by not being beholden to it's financial system. So far we haven't seen a crypto succeed at that. So... so what if it has that property? Doesn…

> Those things arent currencies. And it seems people have solutions to hedge against inflation already. That use case isn't the point.

The point is that there is a use-case for decentralized assets.

> Point is it being not tied to a state level actor is only useful if you can use it to get out from underneath the control of an oppressive regime by not being beholden to it's financial system.

Or if you don't want the value of your money inflated away by central bank policy.

> So far we haven't seen a crypto succeed at that. So... so what if it has that property? Doesn't seem to be useful in practice. In theory yes, but not in practice.

Yes, that's true. Although you could argue Bitcoin has succeeded, just not as a currency. It has succeeded as an asset class. But the question of why crypto hasn't succeeded as a currency is what Kong appears to be attempting to solve. Their answer to that question is that it doesn't have some of the nice properties of physical cash, so they made one that does.

I'm not sure I think that this will change much, but I don't think the fact that cryptos haven't displaced national currencies yet is evidence that they don't solve any problems. They do solve important problems, they just create other ones, and those things don't yet balance in their favor.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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That physical cash can become damaged is nothing new. Maybe this implementation could be easily damaged in some way, I don't think this threatens the concept of silicon cash generally.

Physical cash is both very resilient and if damaged can be replaced. This is neither.

The notes are more durable than linen currency and less durable than polymer currency. We found this to be an acceptable tradeoff. Most of the note can be destroyed but the funds still claimable. There is an envelope of durability properties associated with physical cash - Kong fits within most of these. Of course there is opportunity for improvement which we hope to address in future versions.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

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post #363

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That physical cash can become damaged is nothing new. Maybe this implementation could be easily damaged in some way, I don't think this threatens the concept of silicon cash generally.

Physical cash is both very resilient and if damaged can be replaced. This is neither.

I'm not sure what you're making that assertion on the basis of. The note has redundant electrical connectors. You could melt the bulk of the note down and still claim the Etherium from the secure element. Hypothetically you could have redundant SEs.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

#369
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Isn't that what you want, Macroeconomics 101? Control inflation, interest, growth by creating or limiting the currency floating around your system? I mean yeah you could roll this out to places that perhaps didn't understand this and/or fucked up real bad like Zimbabwe, but otherwise who cares? If you can't trust your government so bad that your cash no longer works, you've got bigger problems and whatever system you…

Some people believe that government control of the money supply is a form of theft. It's certainly a form of indirect taxation (via inflation), and it forces you to rely on the responsibility of your government. Some people believe that eliminating the need to rely on the responsibility of other humans is a terminal good.

And some people believe that wifi causes cancer. A startup selling wifi repelling clothes to prevent cancer would be rightfully criticized.

Re: Show HN: Kong – Physical Cryptocurrency

#370

I genuine can't tell if this is satire or not. This is like one of these web-framework to desktop and back again pieces of software Why should anyone buy a crypto currency you can barely use anywhere in physical form if I can just use regular cash?

You are missing the point of crypto in general. It is a trust less fixed inflation and issuance decentralized non government controlled global currency

It seems to me like the risk of a Kong crash is much larger than the risk of most local currency crashes.
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