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Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#51
post #15

I can't wait till everybody has an IPv6 modem/router. No more of this NAT hole punching or long polling crap for pushing notifications.

As far as hole punching/long polling, how is NAT different than a firewall with deny inbound and only allow outbound connections?

Technically, with NAT you don't even have a route to the internal stuff. While with the pure firewall approach there is a route.

In practice, yeah, not much of a difference.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#52
post #32

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> "It isn't running out. It is out." I think that's an unfair assessment. When every ipv4 address is actually used , it'll have run out. We're a long long way away from that scenario though. Vast ranges are "allocated" but "unused".

That's actually something I've been having a hard time finding: What percentage of IPv4 addresses are currently in use.

Probably wouldn't take too long to check what % are pingable, which would give you a lower bound.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#53
post #48

I always thought that when we ran out of IP4, that some of the companies holding on to Class A blocks would release parts of those for use. I'm not a master of how blocks are assigned or if addressing wise it would be feasible but really, does Ford fully use its Class A block? Prudential Insurance? Eli Lilly? GE?

Looks like Stanford already did this with their block:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IP_address_...

Its a pretty interesting list of companies that still hold onto these blocks.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#54
post #37
post #25

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Nothing. Even if you host websites, nothing until ipv4 actually gets scarce or costly. Just because all ipv4 address space is "allocated" doesn't mean it's used or even allocated to end users. I'd start worrying when you have to pay a lot of money to get a second IP on a server for example. That'll probably be years away.... still good to read up on ipv6 though.

Years away? Gosh! Depends a bit on where you want your servers to be located, I guess, but still. For a lot of server hosting customers, prices for additional IPs have already increased steadily over the last few months. But don't take my word for it, here's a bit from a recent APNIC announcement, for example: "APNIC expects normal allocations to continue for a further three to six months." ( https://www.apnic.net/pu…

For a lot of server hosting customers, prices for additional IPs have already increased steadily over the last few months

That's just retail markup. If you peer with tier 1 transit providers you can still get IPv4 space for practically nothing.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#55
post #4

Enough with the fear mongering headlines already. Yes, IANA allocated the last 5 /8's to the regional registries. IPv4 is not going anywhere anytime soon.

People have been beating the same "IPv4's time is running out" drum since the late 90's apparently

People have been beating the same "gas is running out" drum since we left Tulsa apparently, and that was three hours ago.

Hey... why aren't we moving anymore?

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#56
post #2

Let me get some popcorn. Any ideas of what will happen next? How far are we until some home users with outdated ISPs be blocked from the internet?

I think mobile carriers will be some of the first to transition. The number of devices they need to connect is exploding, and since they have more control over the devices than general ISPs, they can smooth the transition.

This is happening already. All of Verizon's currently shipping LTE (4G) devices have native IPv6.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#58
post #50

I wonder how long it will take until there is a market for IP addresses. I suspect once such a market is in place IPv6 will not see widespread adoption, since most IPv4 addresses are not really used.

The market is here: https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/index.html

do you know if goldman sachs or some other financial entity has created an investment vehicle that I can use to speculate in the market with?

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#59
post #42

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> Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Yes, but it's less crucial for you. Ask for a timeline for IPv6, if you'd like, but don't expect much. You can also set up IPv6 for yourself or your home network via a tunnel (which is a pretty fun exercise), and get access to the IPv6-enabled Internet. All recent operating systems have very good support for it -- even Windows…

Or if you don't have static routable v4 address but have at least dynamically allocated v4 routable address you can use 6to4. I use this to configure my Debian-based router to change used v6 addresses to match DHCP-allocated v4: https://gist.github.com/806333 (bit of an ugly hack)

I strongly recommend this or 6RD. It's a very straightforward and easy way of getting into IPv6 before ISPs start offering IPv6, as comcast did recently ( http://www.comcast6.net/ ).

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

#60

I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…

> Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Yes, but it's less crucial for you. Ask for a timeline for IPv6, if you'd like, but don't expect much. You can also set up IPv6 for yourself or your home network via a tunnel (which is a pretty fun exercise), and get access to the IPv6-enabled Internet. All recent operating systems have very good support for it -- even Windows…

As for fun exercises, you might want to try out the Hurricane Electric Free IPv6 Certification: http://ipv6.he.net/certification/ It consists of a series of small and manageable tasks that will get you up to speed in no time.
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