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Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by xearl »

tocomment wrote: post #18
rst wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing happens immediately --- the regional authorities still have some free space left, although some are planning to get more stingy. (The discussion here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion --- is at least a starting point for the curious. FWIW, the first that's likely to really run out is APNIC, for the Asia/Pacific region, within the next three to six months; the RIRs for Europe and North A…

What I don't understand is what happens to website hosting? Will the cost of a Linode go up? Will they be able to get IP addresses for new customers?

That's a question probably best asked directly to Linode (esp. if you are a paying customer).

As a basis for making up your own mind: Linode has, at the moment, nine /20's allocated. At 80% utilisation, that means roughly 30'000 IPv4 addresses.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by dfox »

jedsmith wrote: post #23
JacobAldridge wrote: post #22

I asked this question on a similar article that gained no traction here recently: what do I, as a regular user of the internet, hosting no domains, and with no real responsibility for any website technicals, need to do about this? (Or what can I do about this?) Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Or do I have little choice but to hang around, feeling smug because I…

> Do I need to request something from my ISP? Lobby them to see if they take it seriously? Yes, but it's less crucial for you. Ask for a timeline for IPv6, if you'd like, but don't expect much. You can also set up IPv6 for yourself or your home network via a tunnel (which is a pretty fun exercise), and get access to the IPv6-enabled Internet. All recent operating systems have very good support for it -- even Windows…

Or if you don't have static routable v4 address but have at least dynamically allocated v4 routable address you can use 6to4.

I use this to configure my Debian-based router to change used v6 addresses to match DHCP-allocated v4: https://gist.github.com/806333 (bit of an ugly hack)

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by jedsmith »

kbyers wrote: post #40
jedsmith wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…

IPv4 addresses are not "out". There are a finite number of IPv4 addresses just as there is a finite amount of land on earth. We are not "out" of land are we? The regional registries haven't even finished allocating the addresses (let alone the low utilization rate of allocated addresses). If the need of migrating to IPv6 is so great and it so valuable to do so, why the need for artificial pronouncements? Yes, IPv6 is…

Again, I meant that IPv4's time is out. I have edited my comment to clarify this.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by dfox »

calloc wrote: post #19
pdx wrote: post #15

I can't wait till everybody has an IPv6 modem/router. No more of this NAT hole punching or long polling crap for pushing notifications.

Each person is supposed to get assigned a /64 from their ISP, which will be then assigned to any downstream devices.

Actually, most deployment recommendations expect, that ISP will allocate something larger than /64 to each customer, with /48 being the ideal scenario and something like /56 being reasonable.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

axod wrote: post #32
jedsmith wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't running out. It is out. I edited out over and replaced it with depleted to satisfy the concern about the headline, but I didn't even like doing that. The cavalier attitude that "nothing is really wrong, keep doing what we're doing" has been an extensive contributor to the problematic situation we're in right now. People have been beating the drum, as you say, because this day was foreseen more than a decade…

> "It isn't running out. It is out." I think that's an unfair assessment. When every ipv4 address is actually used , it'll have run out. We're a long long way away from that scenario though. Vast ranges are "allocated" but "unused".

That's actually something I've been having a hard time finding: What percentage of IPv4 addresses are currently in use.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by MichaelGG »

pdx wrote: post #15

I can't wait till everybody has an IPv6 modem/router. No more of this NAT hole punching or long polling crap for pushing notifications.

As far as hole punching/long polling, how is NAT different than a firewall with deny inbound and only allow outbound connections?

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by 51Cards »

I always thought that when we ran out of IP4, that some of the companies holding on to Class A blocks would release parts of those for use. I'm not a master of how blocks are assigned or if addressing wise it would be feasible but really, does Ford fully use its Class A block? Prudential Insurance? Eli Lilly? GE?

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by aidenn0 »

philwelch wrote: post #26
rst wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing happens immediately --- the regional authorities still have some free space left, although some are planning to get more stingy. (The discussion here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion --- is at least a starting point for the curious. FWIW, the first that's likely to really run out is APNIC, for the Asia/Pacific region, within the next three to six months; the RIRs for Europe and North A…

Also keep in mind there's likely to be a bit of IP reallocation happening. There are a number of companies with full /8 blocks they can't possibly fully utilize.

Yeah, HP as 2 /8s and they seem to be shrinking rather than growing.

Re: IPv4 is depleted: Final five blocks allocated to registries

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Post by wmf »

sprachspiel wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it will take until there is a market for IP addresses. I suspect once such a market is in place IPv6 will not see widespread adoption, since most IPv4 addresses are not really used.

The market is here: https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/index.html
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