Then I guess I'm a kid because those trucks are friggin sweet. What more of an explanation do we need?
Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks
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Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you perhaps discounting the societal influences pushing your kids towards their respective interests? If they view any amount of advertising or interact with other children who do, for example, they could already have ideas about what is "appropriate" for them to like.
I’m guessing you don’t have children.
I'm guessing you don't raise yours inside a cleanroom.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you account for education, experience, and hours worked, equal pay for equal work is already here (or the pay gap is reversed for asian women). Education and experience bring it to 98% parity overall, with asian women getting to 102% parity. https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap "job market forces and gender preferences in relation to marital status and parenthood could explain almost all of the pay gap. Mo…
Why do men choose to and why are they allowed to do all those things differently? The reason is gender roles, that’s part of the equal pay discussion. Probably the biggest part, in fact. The “multi-variable” is no answer at all. Each of those variables is part of the discussion. Seems like everybody has a comical view of the pay gap: a big fat cigar chomping man conspiring with his cronies to set low wages for women.…
> Why do men choose to and why are they allowed to do all those things differently? The reason is gender roles, that’s part of the equal pay discussion. Probably the biggest part, in fact.
The data says otherwise. Countries that are more egalitarian and have more equal gender roles (e.g. men doing more childcare and housework) actually see lower rates of women in fields like tech as compared to places like the Middle East and Indonesia with very strict gender roles.
This also plays out internally within countries. The United States had larger rates of women in tech during the 70s and early 80s, which saw stricter gender roles as compared to today. These rates of women in tech dropped during the 90s and 2000s during which time fields like law and medicine saw substantial growth in women's representation.
Making work less gendered and making pay non-discriminatory are two different discussions. The solution to the latter is straightforward: stop discriminating.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you account for education, experience, and hours worked, equal pay for equal work is already here (or the pay gap is reversed for asian women). Education and experience bring it to 98% parity overall, with asian women getting to 102% parity. https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap "job market forces and gender preferences in relation to marital status and parenthood could explain almost all of the pay gap. Mo…
Why do men choose to and why are they allowed to do all those things differently? The reason is gender roles, that’s part of the equal pay discussion. Probably the biggest part, in fact. The “multi-variable” is no answer at all. Each of those variables is part of the discussion. Seems like everybody has a comical view of the pay gap: a big fat cigar chomping man conspiring with his cronies to set low wages for women.…
People (not just men) choose differently because they have different preferences and they are free to follow those preferences.
Saying the wage gap is because of "gender roles" is no answer at all - it suggests you should target the pay scale.
Multi-variable analysis is an attempt to piece out the answer. If the wage gap is $10, and the multi-variable analysis shows it is $2 education, $3 experience, and $5 career choice, then you can investigate why those factors differ, including possible effects of gender roles, without the specter of "gender discrimination in pay".
> Starting point: how do we better make care work less gendered and pay appropriately?
As with everything, either reduce the supply or increase the demand. As long as there is a sufficient supply of people willing and able to provide the service for a low price, the price will be low.
Remember that "price" is not a direct measure of "value". Air, water, and the first 1000 calories per day are incredibly valuable, but they are very inexpensive because there is excess supply.
For what it's worth, limiting supply and providing government subsidies is a great way to make things cost more - health care and the university education are prime examples. Note that these should be viewed as cautionary examples, not recommendations.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Follow the money. Where more money is to made at a given time, find the men.
Programming is a good example here. It used to be women's work, mainly because it was relegated to women (men didn't want to do it, and it was seen as not that important). Now it's reversed; there's lots of money in it.
This is frequently repeated but rarely with supporting data. Programming work during the 70s and 80s, during which women's representation in programming reached its peak, was well paid. According to the BLS entry level salaries were $20k for the lowest level of "computer programmer" and $40k for the highest. Entry level "systems analyst" is listed with $28k salary [1]. The current BLS statistics for computer programmers does not break down by seniority, but lists an average annual income of $90k [2]. Adjusted for inflation, and the salaries are pretty similar. In Silicon Valley, entry level salaries above $100k are common but this is not replicated nation wide.
Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks
#156This is fun. I grew up on the other side of the world (albeit a "western" culture), and was also amazed by garbage trucks from the day I remember. The whole lift/squash mechanism, their bright orange color (in our parts), the ease by which they lift the containers, the colored control lights/buttons on the side which the cleaners use to operate the lift, the blinkers. And made funny noises. It was something straight…
I'm a full grown adult and I'm working on self-driving cars. For a special project we had to put amber flashing lights on one. Just like the ones they had on garbage trucks where I have grown up. Totally unreasonably, but I was giddy with excitement when I first turned the lights on. That was probably the closest I will ever get to my childhood dream of becoming a garbage truck driver.
I was giddy with excitement when I first turned the lights on.
I know that feeling. I once worked in a place where we occasionally had to drive on airport property, and the company trucks all had giant yellow light bars on top. It was awesome.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd have more sympathy for critiques of feminism (and similar policies designed to help minorities) if even basic indices of equality like pay for equal work were fixed, and there wasn't clear evidence of discrimination on grounds of gender in interviewing, police treatment etc.
If you account for education, experience, and hours worked, equal pay for equal work is already here (or the pay gap is reversed for asian women). Education and experience bring it to 98% parity overall, with asian women getting to 102% parity. https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap "job market forces and gender preferences in relation to marital status and parenthood could explain almost all of the pay gap. Mo…
I wonder if any candidate for the democratic nomination would ever date to bring this view up for discussion.
My feeling is even bringing it up for discussion could be an automatic DQ, sadly.
I’m for pay equality, we all benefit, but I’m also for finding out what’s what.
Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks
#158This didn't address my favorite theory: that (some) kids are programmed to learn as much as they can about the nearby megafauna, and in this world the closest approximation is these big garbage/fire/construction vehicles.
I have a different theory, but it's mostly a cheeky, incomplete one. I think infants start out not understanding conservation[0,1] and there is some programmed primitive instruction in humans to understand conservation. It would explain why modern physics exists, and would also explain why kids are obsessed with garbage trucks -- because where the hell does trash actually go? One you understand conservation enough to…
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Pink used to be a boy's color. // Which shows nothing. The natural allure might be for girls [in general] to go with pink, and the use of pink for boys (is/was it something to do with hunting?) might have been pure social conditioning. Aside: Are their examples of paintings showing boys in pink? The only historical "pink" I know of is "hunting pinks" which are bright-red. I imagine we're only talking "aristocratic b…
Nope. Historically, pink was considered a masculine color, because it's a shade of red. It was like this for centuries, until the 20th century in western nations.
>because it's a shade of red. //
Not quite sure what your nope refers to, but you release that's not a reason. All you've done is shift the question from "why is pink for boys" to "why is red for boys" and still haven't countered any of my observations, particularly that it might be "pink" was for boys because of social conditioning in the past.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope so, but I'm more sure that claiming progressives are trying to deny nature altogether is a useful straw-man for detractors with evidence only from the fringes. But how could you and I be more sure of what's really going on?
Perhaps the progressive movement should dig a little deeper for "proof" that a mere difference in rates of participation. The mere fact more men do something seems to constitute both proof that there is systematic sexism and that those males who are over represented are sexist. It gets tiring.
> Perhaps the progressive movement should dig a little deeper for "proof" that a mere difference in rates of participation.
This is the basis of "critical X theory", the new non-scientific, default theory for all of society's woes! So if there are any differences between two groups of people, it is assumed from the outset that there is a systematic (evil!) force causing that difference, typically to the detriment of a (perceived, in the case of women) minority group!
So, for example, if there are more men in high-paying jobs, regardless of what the job is, that is Prima facie evidence of current systematic sexism against women to keep them out.
Same with the fact that there are higher rates of Black people in prison, or lower standardized test scores for Black children are, in themselves, proof that there is current systematic racial bias against them by White people.
This has resulted in incredible "solutions" from adherents to this type of theory to this, such as The Progressive Stack, in classrooms[2]
It is noteworthy, that this does not go the other way around! So, for example, the fact that such a small rate of East Asians are in prison, or higher rates of high salaries, or higher standardized test scores, are not evidence of pro-East-Asian bias, it is simply accepted as a combination of nature and nurture that works out for them! However, the fact that a small percentage of East Asians are represented in film and TV, is taken as evidence of coordinated, systemic bias to keep them out.