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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by settsu » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

0xcafecafe wrote: post #248

vincnetas wrote: post #172

I really liked seats arrangement in Helsinki public buses. Not sure how popular are they. But basic idea is that in a paired seat you have one seat shifted a bit to back. Because of that if there are two people sitting they don't rub their shoulders to one another and it feels much more spacious. Only picture that i could find : https://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/59672293951/234937...

Is the asocial behavior documented in the blog typical of Finland?

What ‘personal space’ looks like around the world: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/04/24...

Relatedly? "...an intact amygdala is necessary for feelings of discomfort following personal space violations, thus helping to automatically regulate interpersonal distance." - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4123873/

(Also, for those curious: Space Invaders: Personal Space and Autism "...it is possible that a dysfunction in the amygdala contributes to problems in maintaining an appropriate social distance in autism." - https://www.iancommunity.org/ssc/personal-space-autism)

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by brianbreslin » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

organsnyder wrote: post #359

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #334

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The seats are big but not that big. They pulled the ol' "everything looks bigger with a small woman for scale" trick. Look at the picture of the guy sitting in the seat facing away from the camera. It looks like he's leaning right in order to fit in the chair and they moved the camera to the ~4:00 position in order to make that not show. They might not be "true economy" small but these seats certainly aren't large.

They show them in a 2-2 configuration, though. No airline uses that configuration in economy unless it's a small regional jet.

Some A350s like the NEOs run a 2-4-2 config. I think the A380s do too.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by izzydata » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 3:58 PM UTC

sean-duffy wrote: post #341

puranjay wrote: post #202

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> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

Most people already carry a Big Brother-esque device with a camera and microphone in their pockets everywhere they go.

But those are infinitely more useful than a smart speaker.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by chadlavi » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 3:58 PM UTC

as a very broad shouldered individual, I suspect I will viscerally hate those "wings" on the seat if I ever encounter them. That small woman looks quite comfortable in the photos, but what about a 2m tall man?

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by puranjay » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 3:59 PM UTC

sean-duffy wrote: post #341

puranjay wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

Most people already carry a Big Brother-esque device with a camera and microphone in their pockets everywhere they go.

Of course, but the convenience of a smartphone does outweigh the potential surveillance. I getwork done on my phone, book cabs and flight tickets, get food delivered. I've tried living without my smartphone but it's not feasible.

A smart speaker I can live without all my life

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by invalidusernam3 » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 4:00 PM UTC

Gustomaximus wrote: post #91

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

I specifically put on mediocre movies to help me sleep on flights. I often wake up when they finish. I can't be alone here.

I get drunk

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by selectodude » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

vxNsr wrote: post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

They're for long-haul premium economy. Those are already 2-4-2 on larger jets vs 3-4-3 or 2-5-2 in the steerage.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by puranjay » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

chki wrote: post #219

puranjay wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

To be fair, everybody who has Alexa already has a phone constantly with them everywhere. So it's just one extra microphone, not something completely different.

That's the thing - smartphones are surveillance devices as well, but their utility makes them a necessity. It's possible to argue that you'd submit to the surveillance if you're getting all that you get from a smartphone.

But a smart speaker just plays some music and tells you the weather. It's not nearly enough utility to be worth the privacy risks.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by croon » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #356

vxNsr wrote: post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

The seats themselves look fine, but the amount of legroom that the model has is laughable. The only person I fly with who can cross her legs on an airplane like that is my 3 year old daughter.

They're isolated in a display booth. so nothing in front of the seat.

It wouldn't sell, but they should've really displayed them with a delimiter/wall/something in front, in usual economy spacing, if they were going for authenticity. I understand why they wouldn't/didn't.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by fpalmans » Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

xvector wrote: post #144

ddsea wrote: post #123

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Boring meetings have the same effect on me. The main challenge is, not to snore.

This is actually a serious problem to me. Regardless of how interesting I find them, meetings at work trigger something deep inside me that cause me to sleep. It’s like a biological switch has been flipped. Cavemen talking around a fire into the night, getting ready for the long rest for the day ahead... Sometimes I fall into a fugue in which I am semi-aware and a dream fills in part of the speech of meetings. I hear…

Not sure if this is true, but I suspect certain sounds make me sleepy, such as the sound of airplane engines in the cabin, some projectors or airconditioning units. On most airplanes, it is near impossible for me to stay awake.