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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Pxtl wrote: post #355
0xffff2 wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can completely disable Siri or whatever your device's equivalent is. The entire purpose of Alexa is to be listening all the time. They're not equivalent.

Can you prove that you've disabled it? That it's not listening all the time and logging interesting sounds? I don't see a huge difference between a speaker that's designed to have an always-on mic listening for a code-word and we're just going to trust that it doesn't log anything unless it hears that codeword, and a phone that's designed to have the same, but has a software option to turn it off. Either way, we're t…

No, I can't prove that it's disabled, but that doesn't matter much. There are people out there who probably could and would be more than happy to publish their results if they did.

More importantly, the difference is in intent. I don't intend to carry around a device that's always listening to me. Anyone with an Alexa device is intentionally inviting Amazon to listen to every word spoken in (part of) their home.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by notjustanymike »

soapboxrocket wrote: post #358

Either they hired a very petite woman for the photos are these seats are way wider than the current standard. But I do have a fun fact as to why airplane seats are too narrow. When they first started standardizing the seat width, the measured individuals hips to determine the seat width. The idea was that: ass goes in seat. The problem was that our shoulders tend to be wider than our hips. By the time the issue was d…

I think you could start with your last sentence first.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by squeaky-clean »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #91
oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

I specifically put on mediocre movies to help me sleep on flights. I often wake up when they finish. I can't be alone here.

I actually get somewhat excited over the mediocre B movies I would otherwise never watch outside of an Economy seat naptime.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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avian wrote: post #297
tootie wrote: post #294

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It sounds like the author is misunderstanding a bit. This isn't facial recognition, it's facial detection. Distinguishing a sleeping face and an awake face doesn't require the face to be identified. Also, I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins. Also also, you can't get on a plane without showing ID and boarding pass with a seat number, so it's not like they…

> I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins Now that you mention it, I don’t recall ever seeing a camera on an airplane before. I see them on busses and trains, airports and stations. But not in aircraft cabins. If they’re there, they must be better hidden than in other places.

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by squeaky-clean »

imgabe wrote: post #253
AlphaSite wrote: post #99

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Who wants a camera pointed at their face for potentially 20+ hours?

People who use laptops all day?

I'd be willing to bet that a majority of HN readers have tape over their webcams.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by smnrchrds »

soapboxrocket wrote: post #358

Either they hired a very petite woman for the photos are these seats are way wider than the current standard. But I do have a fun fact as to why airplane seats are too narrow. When they first started standardizing the seat width, the measured individuals hips to determine the seat width. The idea was that: ass goes in seat. The problem was that our shoulders tend to be wider than our hips. By the time the issue was d…

She is the reporter who wrote this column. She is hired by CNN, not the manufacturer of the seats.

https://twitter.com/fl_street?lang=en

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by alistairSH »

sdferdfs wrote: post #329
vxNsr wrote: post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

They'll find out some way to sell/use the data and the cameras will pay for themselves. Besides, if airlines are ripping out TVs, relatively low capital cost, from backseats of very expensive aircraft I doubt its because of the cost of the TVs. Maybe the TVs need hefty wiring for the power. Maybe they break often with kids punching them. But the cameras might not have that many problems, and therefore be cheap (besid…

Weight is the primary motivator for removing setback entertainment systems. Why have them, when most passengers have iPads or laptops. A WAP weighs less than several hundred "TV" screens and the supporting wiring.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by Havoc »

mb_72 wrote: post #212
quotemstr wrote: post #97

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Given the huge improvements in air travel safety over the past few decades, it probably makes sense to relax evacuation and seatbelt requirements a little bit in order to enable experimentation with bunks and other non-standard layouts.

I would pay a bit extra to have 30 minute's worth of 'horizontal time' in a small bunk for flights over 10 hours in duration. However I assume that because this isn't a thing already, someone else thought of it, did the calculations and worked out it wouldn't be profitable for the airline.

What are you going to do with 30 mins? Power nap?

Few people can manage that

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by johnward »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #356
vxNsr wrote: post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

The seats themselves look fine, but the amount of legroom that the model has is laughable. The only person I fly with who can cross her legs on an airplane like that is my 3 year old daughter.

The seats seem wide to me.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

Since I know nothing about airline electrical systems, movie deals the airline might have made etc. I wonder if it might not be beneficial to the airline if it manages to turn off a small number of unused movies during a flight.
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