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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by chrisseaton »

ghaff wrote: post #296
chrisseaton wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...

That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.

My 767 is newly refitted with the Polaris business class - it can't be that much of a weird relic! Your example is the old pre-Polaris business class.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by Pigo »

avian wrote: post #297
tootie wrote: post #294

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It sounds like the author is misunderstanding a bit. This isn't facial recognition, it's facial detection. Distinguishing a sleeping face and an awake face doesn't require the face to be identified. Also, I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins. Also also, you can't get on a plane without showing ID and boarding pass with a seat number, so it's not like they…

> I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins Now that you mention it, I don’t recall ever seeing a camera on an airplane before. I see them on busses and trains, airports and stations. But not in aircraft cabins. If they’re there, they must be better hidden than in other places.

Yeah it seems like one of the few places people would be willing to trade some privacy for security, and they aren't doing it. Maybe because they don't want to end the mile high club.

It's probably a financial decision, everything about modern commercial aircraft is designed around getting the cheapest tickets possible.

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Post by aasasd »

avian wrote: post #297
tootie wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like the author is misunderstanding a bit. This isn't facial recognition, it's facial detection. Distinguishing a sleeping face and an awake face doesn't require the face to be identified. Also, I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins. Also also, you can't get on a plane without showing ID and boarding pass with a seat number, so it's not like they…

> I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins Now that you mention it, I don’t recall ever seeing a camera on an airplane before. I see them on busses and trains, airports and stations. But not in aircraft cabins. If they’re there, they must be better hidden than in other places.

IIRC some dude found a camera right next to the screen before him. Apparently those cams are pretty well known—just search for ‘plane seat camera’.

E.g. cams being tested, from eleven years ago: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/06/more_on_airpl...

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Post by alamortsubite »

limomium wrote: post #261
smichel17 wrote: post #234

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..which you can turn off or disable..

Can you? No matter how many damn Google Assistant settings I disable in how many fractal menus, it STILL "helpfully" pops up if I say out loud "ok google"! Like, "heyy I noticed you're trying to talk to me though I'm disabled, would you like to enable me?" Stop spying on me you piece of malware.

Disabling Google Assistant was trivial on my Android One/Google Fi phone. It was one of the first things I did.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by xienze »

vxNsr wrote: post #295

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

That's exactly what I was thinking. This seems like a rich person's idea of what "economy" seating is, having never sat in one of those seats for the past couple decades.

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Post by ghaff »

chrisseaton wrote: post #301
ghaff wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.

My 767 is newly refitted with the Polaris business class - it can't be that much of a weird relic! Your example is the old pre-Polaris business class.

It may be just the routes I fly. I'm mostly 737s or 757s, or the odd 777 (usually going to Asia). I do see I have a 787 on my next trip to Europe but that's 9 across in Economy Plus/Economy. (Premium Economy is 7 across.)

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Post by mikepurvis »

bamboozled wrote: post #279
puranjay wrote: post #202

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> This could be the worst idea ever. Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie This seems to be uniform across all surveillance technology. The purported convenience is so laughably minor that it's almost a parody. Like Alexa - people are willing to have a Big Brother-esque speaker inside their homes for the convenience of playing some…

Don’t forget safety, were often told it’s to monitor bad guys or people breaking the law. Australia is great at this, see the new “Phone use while driving cameras”, insane.

As a person who primarily walks and bikes to get around I am very okay with whatever measures are necessary to get phone drivers off the road.

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Post by yodsanklai »

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

> Have cameras pointed at every flyer for the duration of the flight, for the incredibly minor benefit of stopping your movie

Besides, all these electronic devices have a high environmental impact, for virtually no benefits. It makes you wonder how we're going to decrease our CO2 emissions...

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Post by aasasd »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #248
vincnetas wrote: post #172

I really liked seats arrangement in Helsinki public buses. Not sure how popular are they. But basic idea is that in a paired seat you have one seat shifted a bit to back. Because of that if there are two people sitting they don't rub their shoulders to one another and it feels much more spacious. Only picture that i could find : https://depressingfinland.tumblr.com/post/59672293951/234937...

Is the asocial behavior documented in the blog typical of Finland?

Judge for yourself:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RqdkHLU3G3E/Uy2b1KyScQI/AAAAAAAAAd...

http://finnishness.blogs.tamk.fi/files/2017/09/bussipysakki-...

https://www.linkbcit.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Finland-b...

https://finnishcrashcourse.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/fpv0w...

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