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New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by chrisseaton »

jrockway wrote: post #283
chrisseaton wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.

On what airlines? The last time I flew economy in a 777 it was 2-5-2. I think more recently, 3-4-3 is common. On 787s, 3-3-3 seems like the standard. Not sure what Airbus is up to, but I'm guessing they're not selling many planes if their selling point is "higher fuel consumption for every economy passenger!"

767-300ER for example - United Airlines 80 which I use all the time to cross the Atlantic https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...

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Post by chrisseaton »

ghaff wrote: post #269
chrisseaton wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.

Maybe in a premium economy configuration. It's definitely not common/standard in regular economy (or even an economy plus a couple extra inches of legroom) configuration.

I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by tyingq »

fouc wrote: post #83
tyingq wrote: post #12

What I'd rather see is designs that make the middle seat more palatable. There are more aircraft with 3 seats on each side now. It's not perfect, but ideas that make the middle seat better via dedicated armrests, or offsetting it slightly back, would be welcome. One supplier with some decent ideas: https://www.airlineseats.biz/for-passengers

The middle seat staggered lets people use the same armrest at different spots. That's a good idea https://static.wixstatic.com/media/1fe40a_b68668609cbc4cf59b...

You can also see the middle seat is wider than the other two, creating some incentive where you might want it. And because of the backset, the row itself isn't wider.

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by tootie »

oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

It sounds like the author is misunderstanding a bit. This isn't facial recognition, it's facial detection. Distinguishing a sleeping face and an awake face doesn't require the face to be identified. Also, I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins. Also also, you can't get on a plane without showing ID and boarding pass with a seat number, so it's not like they don't already know exactly who is sitting where.

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Post by vxNsr »

Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?

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Post by ghaff »

chrisseaton wrote: post #292
ghaff wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in a premium economy configuration. It's definitely not common/standard in regular economy (or even an economy plus a couple extra inches of legroom) configuration.

I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...

That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf...

I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.

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Post by avian »

tootie wrote: post #294
oceliker wrote: post #39

> The designers are considering adding facial recognition technology to the design. Um, what > In fitting with the trend towards more personalized, data-driven flying experiences, New Territory is keen to add facial recognition technology to the mix too. > The idea is that as the seat wing recognizes that you've fallen asleep, it'll automatically turn off the movie playing on your IFE. This could be the worst idea ev…

It sounds like the author is misunderstanding a bit. This isn't facial recognition, it's facial detection. Distinguishing a sleeping face and an awake face doesn't require the face to be identified. Also, I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins. Also also, you can't get on a plane without showing ID and boarding pass with a seat number, so it's not like they…

> I'd be shocked if there aren't already cameras covering every square inch of modern airplane cabins

Now that you mention it, I don’t recall ever seeing a camera on an airplane before. I see them on busses and trains, airports and stations. But not in aircraft cabins. If they’re there, they must be better hidden than in other places.

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Post by air7 »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #271
air7 wrote: post #268

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Why is it so hard to believe that that is the intended purpose? The feature is small yet a nice touch and I can't think of any sinister usage of adding this technology (I'm sure they have hidden cameras/microphones/facial recognition at the gate for security, anyway).

Are you serious? So now private entities have your facial information?

You do remember you've been showing your passport to these "private entitites" with your photo and personal details for decades?

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Post by miemo »

jacquesm wrote: post #213
dgemm wrote: post #87

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Two years ago they would have been finding a way to add blockchain.

I still receive decks with great regularity that drag the blockchain in by the hairs. Extremely boring and a very quick way to end up in the round archive. One of those two days ago. It was so cringeworthy I'd almost post it here but that's sort of rude. This one was a borderline scam with a whole pile of content recycled from other decks and fake education records for the participants. Who ever thought we'd check up…

>a very quick way to end up in the round archive

I love this phrase

Re: New airplane seat design to make it easier to sleep in economy

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Post by cheez »

npongratz wrote: post #290
dobleboble wrote: post #288

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Voice control of smart devices is extremely convenient. I can only imagine what a quality of life improvement it is for someone with physical disabilities.

Right, convenient for some, and I empathize with that use case. But why must we all be subjected to Big Brother's unblinking, creepy-as-fuck stare? And why must all the data enabling the convenience be ripped away from my exclusive control and sent back to some centralized store?

Think back 200,000 years when modern humans first appeared. That is less than 20,000 generations of humans where for a long time, it was kill or be killed.

Think back to about a thousand years ago. That is less than 100 generations where for a long time, slavery and serfdom were common.

"Big Brother" is nothing more than a tool for the apex of the pyramid of human society. This is how "they" are able to get away with molesting hundreds of children while Joe who takes a drunken piss in the park at midnight is classified a sex offender for life.

So if you understand from _that_ perspective, it makes perfect sense. However, in contrast to every other time before, today the commoner "feels" like they are free. This changes the way they think and speak. The commoners don't feel inferior to the apex of humanity's pyramid. I expect if we get too far out of line, we'll be reminded.

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