Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
If Bitcoin Looks Like It Isn’t Trading, It’s Because It Isn’t
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#12Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
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#13Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
100s of billions of dollars of gold is traded each day.
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#14Where is the lightning network, so people can buy common, small dollar amounts of goods and services with BTC? IMO that's going to be the next catalyst, it's slowly fading out until it's at least technologically possible to go mainstream.
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#15Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
Because Bitcoin is (at least theoretically) a currency. You're comparing it to a commodity or store of value. The power of a currency is the ability to trade it for goods and services. If that is no longer happening with Bitcoin it has morphed into something else entirely.
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#18Transaction volume has always been a difficult metric. For one thing, most transactions are likely to happen off-chain. That can occur in a centralized system like Coinbase. This has always been a possibility dating back to the first exchanges like Mt. Gox.
More recently, Lightning Network means that decentralized off-chain transactions can play a bigger role in Bitcoin's total transaction volume. Lightning involves two parties setting up a contract (Bitcoin has supported them from day one). This contract defines rules that allow the parties to update a private transaction (without counterparty risk) until settlement on the block chain is required. At that point a transaction is published. That transaction may represent one, a handful, or hundreds of thousands of intermediate transactions. There aren't very good ways to determine how many, and this will tend to make Bitcoin's transaction volume ever more opaque over time.
Exchanges are starting to support Lightning as a method to move bitcoin in and out.
Second, absolute transaction count doesn't take coin value or age into account. For example, I can just flip the same 0.001 BTC back and forth to myself rapidly. That would add many transactions but wouldn't reveal much of value.
An alternative metric is "bitcoin days destroyed" (BDD). BDD equals the value of the coin being spent multiplied by its age in days, summed over all transactions in a given period:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/845/what-are-bit...
When BDD spikes you know that either old coins are being spent or that lots value in younger coins is being spent. That metric might be more economically valuable. There's a realtime chart here:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/charts/coindays-destroyed?int...
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#19Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
Because Bitcoin is (at least theoretically) a currency. You're comparing it to a commodity or store of value. The power of a currency is the ability to trade it for goods and services. If that is no longer happening with Bitcoin it has morphed into something else entirely.
Other cryptocurrencies are working hard on scaling to the point of being workable currencies.
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#20Many reasons to be dubious about bitcoin and its liquidity and how much wash trading goes on, but it seems a bit odd to judge it by the amount of outstanding coin being traded. How much gold that exists is actively traded? Or even the same question for a typical company stock?
Because Bitcoin is (at least theoretically) a currency. You're comparing it to a commodity or store of value. The power of a currency is the ability to trade it for goods and services. If that is no longer happening with Bitcoin it has morphed into something else entirely.
No practical value, no industrial value, no means to materially change the rate of production, nothing special at all except that it is rare, only a few people care about it, and its price will always depend primarily on the behavior of a very small number of market participants.