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Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by perfunctory »

bamboozled wrote: post #45

I’d almost wish Governments would do more to fight climate change so we can stop talking about it. Not only are we facing the end of civilisation as we know it, it’s going to be a long ass grind to the end constantly discussing the climate crises in between dodging one catastrophe after the next and obsessing over it all. I hardly remember life without talking about it, but I do remember it was nicer and more simple.…

> I’d almost wish Governments would do more to fight climate change

Stop wishing. Go do something about it.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#102

Post by lcall »

We don't have to be surprised about some of these events, since they have been predicted in the scriptures, for now, for a long time (ice melting, storms, quakes, waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds, fires/smoke, all things in commotion, and other significant catastrophic events--not just the usual levels of them).

I greatly appreciate the science and am glad for progress in our efforts. But I think we are not competent to solve planet-wide issues when we have largely rejected the instructions given by the earth's Creator (like, honesty, the Golden Rule, etc, etc): we have a hard time trusting each other even when we say we agree. I'm glad we can share our own thoughts. We need His help both to address important issues globally, and in our personal lives.

And importantly, we can be OK. Related, more detailed thoughts at http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854581820.html , a simple site w/ no javascript or sales).

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by fzeroracer »

simonsarris wrote: post #8

Boy are characterizations like this getting tired. An actually accurate title would read something like: Farm and industry run-off in certain areas of the world is depleting oxygen in certain parts of the ocean. The vast majority of the issue isn't related to rising temps, it would still be there if there were no rising temps. It is the agricultural and industrial runoff in what I suspect are very, very specific part…

I'm getting tired of comments like these. Every single article about climate change or issues with the environment on HN always has someone swooping in to complain about sensationalism or something-or-other rather than talking about the actual article or the actions that can be taken. Then the rest of the HN post devolves into further nonsense because then the discussion becomes more about nitpicking rather than the actual content of the post at hand.

Instead of complaining about sensationalism or nonsense, why don't you skip instead to discussing the actual study at hand and suggest some actual actions we could do to solve the problem? Since you're apparently more of an expert than the journalist here.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#104

Post by dwaltrip »

the_narrator wrote: post #68
Phylter wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, sensational headlines like this are why so many people have a difficult time buying into climate change. If the media would present it as it actually is then I think more people would get on board.

That is the problem. Without actual proof of something, sensational headlines are mandatory.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/

Baseless, uninformed skepticism is bad.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#105

Post by imtringued »

the_narrator wrote: post #68
Phylter wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, sensational headlines like this are why so many people have a difficult time buying into climate change. If the media would present it as it actually is then I think more people would get on board.

That is the problem. Without actual proof of something, sensational headlines are mandatory.

No the problem is that the evidence is boring and people have a hard time understanding how abstract numbers will affect their daily lives.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by the_narrator »

imtringued wrote: post #105
the_narrator wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the problem. Without actual proof of something, sensational headlines are mandatory.

No the problem is that the evidence is boring and people have a hard time understanding how abstract numbers will affect their daily lives.

I agree, this is true. In this particular case though, there has been sensationalism for decades now - it tends to have the opposite of the intended effect.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#107

Post by bamboozled »

perfunctory wrote: post #101
bamboozled wrote: post #45

I’d almost wish Governments would do more to fight climate change so we can stop talking about it. Not only are we facing the end of civilisation as we know it, it’s going to be a long ass grind to the end constantly discussing the climate crises in between dodging one catastrophe after the next and obsessing over it all. I hardly remember life without talking about it, but I do remember it was nicer and more simple.…

> I’d almost wish Governments would do more to fight climate change Stop wishing. Go do something about it.

What do you actually think I can do? I feel pretty helpless and confused right now about how much an individual can actually do and why so little is being done globally.

Current things I do / have done are:

- Attend rallies occasionally.

- Divested most of my money where applicable.

- Invest in energy companies and tech.

- I went vegetarian for 2 years. I do eat meat again now, but not a great deal and mostly fish and chicken when I do.

- Have not owned a car for about 2 years, I cycle and use public transport.

- Fly less than once a year currently. I live abroad so sometimes I do need to go home to visit family.

- Buy essential things like clothes from companies who do things sustainably such as Patagonia. Don't really buy junk.

- Buy a monthly subscription to Climeworks.

As an individual I can do my bit; But clearly there is a limited amount of things I can do. I can't force countries to stop burning coal for power generation for example, which let's be honest, is the real crux of the issue. When I catch public transport, it's usually backed by coal or diesel right now.

What I don't get is this coal love affair that politicians can't seem to get over. We have so much to lose from climate change, including economically, so why do people love it so? It seems to be somewhat of an addiction. There seems to be a kind of "strength in denying" that older people enjoy to see in politicians. I don't really understand it but if this attitude changes, can be changed we'd instantly start on the correct path.

I also don't understand why simple and more cheap counter measures aren't being implemented rapidly.For example, afforestation. Is this because it's an admission something is wrong so most Governments won't do that so there is no commitment in it?

What is the actual the blocker here really? Corruption? Ignorance? Lobbying? We need to identify it and address it very quickly if we all want to survive and have a decent quality of life. This is why I have compassion for deniers, they don't really understand or want to admit how bad their lives will be.

On a personal level, I'm between jobs now looking for new things. I'm optimistic about the transition to renewables happening. The renewable tech is moving so fast and becoming so cheap I can see more and more of the grid changing quickly, at least in the developed world (which isn't enough on it's own); However I'm a little surprised at how little is being done to remove existing Co2. This also needs to happen.

I'm really considering how I can change my career to work on direct air capture tech or renewables even though this is far from my where my expertise lie as I'm in software.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#108

Post by magicalist »

dang wrote: post #85
endorphone wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warmer waters hold less oxygen. This is fundamental, scientific fact.. The article specifically mentions the relatively small problem of run-off, and then the broader problem of, you know, entire oceans. A relatively constant, albeit still problematic, issue with runoff is pretty mild compared to the potentially for extremely wide-scale change from climate, hence the alarmism. To snidely quote from the beginning of y…

Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. Taking HN threads further into flamewar is also not ok. Would you please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Taking HN threads further into flamewar is also not ok.

I mean, where's the warning for insubstantial, ideological flamebait in the first place for the top post, dang? And the climate change post before that, and the one before that...

They post these things based on their gut reaction to the headline, and now the discussion in here is about the OP and not the subject at hand.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

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Post by dang »

magicalist wrote: post #108
dang wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. Taking HN threads further into flamewar is also not ok. Would you please review the site guidelines and stick to the rules when posting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Taking HN threads further into flamewar is also not ok. I mean, where's the warning for insubstantial, ideological flamebait in the first place for the top post, dang? And the climate change post before that, and the one before that... They post these things based on their gut reaction to the headline , and now the discussion in here is about the OP and not the subject at hand.

Devolving to personal attack is worse. Someone else posting misinformation is no excuse. If you have better information, you are responsible for presenting it in a way that doesn't take the discussion deeper into hell. Failing that responsibility discredits the truth, which makes things worse all around.

If you see a comment that you think we should have moderated but we didn't, the likeliest explanation is that we just didn't see it. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here.

Re: Climate change and nutrient pollution are depleting oxygen from oceans: study

#110

Post by perfunctory »

bamboozled wrote: post #107
perfunctory wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d almost wish Governments would do more to fight climate change Stop wishing. Go do something about it.

What do you actually think I can do? I feel pretty helpless and confused right now about how much an individual can actually do and why so little is being done globally. Current things I do / have done are: - Attend rallies occasionally. - Divested most of my money where applicable. - Invest in energy companies and tech. - I went vegetarian for 2 years. I do eat meat again now, but not a great deal and mostly fish an…

> I feel pretty helpless and confused

If it helps, you are not alone. I felt helpless and frustrated for a long time myself. One thing that gives me hope at the moment is Extinction Rebellion. I realise it's not for everyone but I believe they are the best chance we have right now.

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