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Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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Post by erikpukinskis »

ethbro wrote: post #67
i_am_proteus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please. For it not to be the government would mean that there's an extra-governmental organization within the PRC with the resources and network access to conduct a massive DDoS attack, which the communist government would never allow.

> conduct a massive DDoS attack That's not an accurate summary of what they're doing. They're intermittently serving poisoned js in place of known analytics scripts. Which changes the potential "who" a bit.

“Conduct” in this case could mean performing but most likely means directing.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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Post by cortesoft »

nullc wrote: post #174

The web needs to start moving towards a strong same-origin policy for all embedded content-- require sites to proxy requests if they want third party content. The first step could be sending CORS preflight, then requiring it, then just not allowing cross origin to different domains (but allow sub-/sibling- domains).

Not sure how much that would help... they could just have their own domain be a cname to the target.

Your defense idea might stop layer 7 attacks, but not lower level ones.

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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Post by dTal »

LandR wrote: post #144
theresAppleBias wrote: post #129

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I agree, but given I pay United States taxes, how about the Iraq war with 600,000 dead? I know it's displacing a dictator and it was under the guise of freedom, weapons, and democracy. But if your family died, does it matter? What's the China propaganda say? Unity, equality, efficiency? Why is our murder better?

I didn't see this as a problem solved by war, honestly. We need to weane ourself off a dependency on China for cheap goods. We need to decide that we value human life over a cheap phone. China gets away with what it does because it feeds our need for shiney new trinkets. Frankly, it's disgusting. The world could stand up to China and say it doesn't want it as a trading partner. Maybe that wouldn't even help, but do w…

With all due respect - from a systems perspective, that's not a solution; it's a wish for a pony, no less so than complaining "where are China's values"? Solutions are required because people are selfish and shortsighted - merely pointing this out accomplishes little.

It's like saying that police aren't a solution to murder - what we really need is to stop killing each other.

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Post by Brain_Thief »

zentiggr wrote: post #114
Waterluvian wrote: post #25

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I think the primary argument line is something along: 1. Online ads today are so bad they must be blocked 2. But blocking ads blocks revenue for sites we like 3. So we should pay for them more directly 4. But I'm not about to set up 100 different monthly subscriptions. These corporations are not trustworthy and I cannot monitor this many bills. 5. We need a solution to simplify money -> content -> creator transfer 6.…

Bill Hicks had an answer. Nobody seemed to want to do that though.

Could you illuminate those of us who are not in the know?

Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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Post by booleandilemma »

blackearl wrote: post #66
pkilgore wrote: post #7

So if the cannon is created using the great firewall, how does the Chinese government establish any sort of plausible argument that this isn't state-sponsored activity? Do they just not care? Some day soon a war will not be started with an assassins bullet but with a tool like this. I wonder when we start looking at them the same way?

According to the article, the attacks are currently ineffective for a number of reasons, one being their js code is bugged. Imagine Gavrillo Princip's gun was prone to jamming consistently.

I’m wondering if there are actual bugs in their code or if AT&T is just saying that to make them spend time looking for something that isn’t there.

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Post by slg »

LessDmesg wrote: post #132
slg wrote: post #100

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So what if China isn't running death camps per se? The problem is that it's running something of the magnitude of Nazi Germany and getting away with it. No sane government would go 100% Nazi overnight, but if they see that being 50% Nazi is OK, then they might raise it to 75% etc. It's a game like all authoritarian politics. They're probing ground, and many other authoritarians around the world are looking at the res…

That is quite a big "per se" there. My point is there is a huge distinction between concentration camps and death camps. The Nazis progressed from one to the other, but that is not a guarantee (this is where that US reference might come into play). There is a large difference between "let's segregate these people" to "let's kill all of them" and we shouldn't blur the lines between either the Nazi's decision to make that leap or China's decision to as of yet not.

I wouldn't have felt the need to make my comment if the original comment was modified with "early Holocaust" rather equating it to the entire thing which inherently includes and is often more synonymous with the death camps.

Also what China is doing is not in the magnitude of the Nazis.

I am not saying any of this to defend China. I just want these things clear because this is the type of rhetoric that is often used by Holocaust deniers.

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Post by [deleted] »

qxnqd wrote: post #176
emmelaich wrote: post #128

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Pretty sure they don't care. They're also directing lasers at helicopter pilots, which is much closer to a actual war than mere bits. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-06/chinese-fishing-vesse...

"They" as if it was the military doing it. It's probably bored fishermen. Edit: user "Apes" responded with: "Why is China giving their fishermen access to military grade lasers with helicopter tracking gear? I guess I'm just not familiar enough with fishing to understand how these military lasers would help catch fish." My response to his comment is: The part where they are "military grade lasers with helicopter trac…

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Re: The Great Cannon has been deployed again

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Post by dredmorbius »

chewbacha wrote: post #161
MR4D wrote: post #142

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War seems to progress as follows: 0 - Peace 1 - Trade War 2 - Financial War 3 - Electronic War 4 - Shooting War Note that 1 & 2 are different types of Economic war, and could be grouped together. The steps occur in order, but steps can be skipped. From a US-centric point of view, North Korea and Iran seem to be at #3. China & Russia are at a limited version of #2. Chinese/HK seem to be at #3 with each other.Given how…

I don't know who to attribute this to but I've heard a saying: "Countries that trade with each other don't make war with each other." As we isolate countries and disrupt trade we definitely are increasing the risk of conflict.

At best, that has held in limited places and times since WWII.

At worst, it was an affirmation repeated, as with most affirmations, in the hopes that the repetition would make it true, which it doesn't, and for the usual reason, that it generally wasn't.

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Post by skrebbel »

gpm wrote: post #171
chewbacha wrote: post #161

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I don't know who to attribute this to but I've heard a saying: "Countries that trade with each other don't make war with each other." As we isolate countries and disrupt trade we definitely are increasing the risk of conflict.

You are interpreting a correlation as a causality. More likely (IMO) is a common cause, countries that consider themselves enemies for whatever reason are both unlikely to trade with eachother, and likely to go to war with eachother.

The EU was founded with the explicit goal that increasing trade between European countries would prevent war.

It's impossible to prove causality, but Europe has never seen longer and more widespread peace than the last 70 years.

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