So if the cannon is created using the great firewall, how does the Chinese government establish any sort of plausible argument that this isn't state-sponsored activity? Do they just not care? Some day soon a war will not be started with an assassins bullet but with a tool like this. I wonder when we start looking at them the same way?
According to the article, the attacks are currently ineffective for a number of reasons, one being their js code is bugged. Imagine Gavrillo Princip's gun was prone to jamming consistently.
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Some food for thought: In Tibet, people regularly self-immolate themselves to show to the world how desperate the situation of Tibetan is. Imagine in what circumstances you would need to live to see people around you self-immolate. It's not just one person, and just a dozen.
If I again compare with the US as an example even if people don't like that. You have had many hundred if not thousands of suicide bombers that have stated that they sacrifice their life to strike against targets because of US imperialistic ways. Imagine the circumstances that lead to that.
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#123Can someone explain how using HTTPS would mitigate this attack?
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Hitler didn't start murdering jews in mass until after he invaded countries.
Hitler was elected under the pretense that he represented socialism that was friendlier to the middle class and workers. This way people could get their socialist improvements to the economy (which was shit due to bad world-wide economy and war reparations) while still having defense against the the sort of upheaval and murderous destruction that the Reds represented.
The take-home lesson of WW2 shouldn't be that 'The other side was evil and we won'. Because the entire Eastern half of Europe and most of Asia was submitted to governments that were incredibly evil due to the Soviet victory.
WW2's lessons are meaningless without WW1. They really are effectively the same war. The treaty of Versailles and the humiliation of the German civilian government are directly responsible for the rise of power of the Fascism in Germany.
The take-home lesson of the 20th century wars is that massive murder and atrocities are only possible because people obey their governments. That 'The people' cannot discern true evil running the state until it's far too late.
Because evil doesn't show up saying "Elect me because I want to gas the Jews". They gain power by promising what you want. By telling you what you want to hear. And once they gain power then it is the average person's willingness to obey authority and carry out orders is what turns shoe makers, engineers, and doctors into mass murderers.
Which is the sort of thing that is happening in many parts of China.
Always remember that in Vichy France when they rounded up the Jews for the holocaust it wasn't the Germans troops that went around arresting them. It was the French police that rounded up people to be put on those trains. It was under the order's of the French politicians. This problem of obeying governments is not something that is limited by national borders.
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#125I've wondered about this, in the years since. Does anyone else have a sense of what (if any) pragmatic technical steps could effectively deter or neuter this tactic? If the network can't demonstrate the ability to at least pump the brakes on this, it's hard to imagine other states or even the owners of large safe-monopoly ISPs won't get a little jealous of the tool.
Block all traffic from China?
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#126This is a good counter example for whenever you find yourself in an argument with anti-adblocker folks.
But these folks still have no answer for how free websites they consume daily (e.g. news) are to be funded, they don't pay, and don't want to see ads either. Yet they still expect these websites to exist. I use Firefox's built Enhanced Tracking Prevention, that some sites call "ad blocking" but in reality it is super easy to have ads that don't get blocked by it, just make them non-creepy.
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Hitler didn't start exterminating jews until after Pearl Harbor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Final_Solution That's 2+ years after the start of WW2.
As WW2 progressed the Nazis attempted to ship the jews elsewhere. Sadly countries refused to accept these refugees.
Nazis then started to pile up Jews into Ghettos. Note that these Ghettos are almost identical to the Uyghur's current situation.
As the Ghettos started to fill up, the Nazis needed a plan on what to do as the ghettos started to reach capacity. Their decision is known as the "Final Solution" or death camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Évian_Conference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
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#128So if the cannon is created using the great firewall, how does the Chinese government establish any sort of plausible argument that this isn't state-sponsored activity? Do they just not care? Some day soon a war will not be started with an assassins bullet but with a tool like this. I wonder when we start looking at them the same way?
They're also directing lasers at helicopter pilots, which is much closer to a actual war than mere bits.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-06/chinese-fishing-vesse...
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#129So if the cannon is created using the great firewall, how does the Chinese government establish any sort of plausible argument that this isn't state-sponsored activity? Do they just not care? Some day soon a war will not be started with an assassins bullet but with a tool like this. I wonder when we start looking at them the same way?
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I know it's displacing a dictator and it was under the guise of freedom, weapons, and democracy. But if your family died, does it matter?
What's the China propaganda say? Unity, equality, efficiency?
Why is our murder better?
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#130This is a good counter example for whenever you find yourself in an argument with anti-adblocker folks.
But these folks still have no answer for how free websites they consume daily (e.g. news) are to be funded, they don't pay, and don't want to see ads either. Yet they still expect these websites to exist. I use Firefox's built Enhanced Tracking Prevention, that some sites call "ad blocking" but in reality it is super easy to have ads that don't get blocked by it, just make them non-creepy.
The solution we'll get stuck with is an embedded webassembly browser rendering to canvas.