Nice work. I don't think people appreciate just how much work has been put into this project.
Elementary OS 5.1 Hera
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#123I love the idea of having a Linux distro that emulates macOS, but I see no point in copying only the vague look, when it still differs in basic functionality, like using different keyboard shortcuts. I don’t understand why (based on semi-thorough googling in the past) it is not possible to change all shortcuts to be like macOS (cmd-c instead of ctrl-c etc.)
As much as elementary clearly takes inspiration from macOS, the developers have been quite clear that they're not trying to make a mac clone. You can agree or disagree with that mission, but it is what it is.
One of the best things about macOS is the special character inputs, which is one place I think Apple has outshone their competitors for a while. Even if Elementary doesn’t introduce the same keybindings it would be nice to have some set up automatically without having to fiddle with the compose key settings. It’s a very common UX issue imho and also an area where you can easily “beat Windows”
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#124Does anyone know if any other distros are packaging any parts of elementary OS?
Pop_os uses the same AppCenter.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Replying to myself with more info: This is proving exceptionally hard to search the web for, so apologies if this is out of date, but it seems the answer was “no, and it never will be, so stop asking” as of 2018: https://twitter.com/danielfore/status/991836014070022144 Was this from before Elementary was positioning as the MacOS replacement? I can’t be the only one who thinks the global menu is one of the MacOS inter…
It is amazing how much GUIs have regressed in the past 2 decades. Even on Linux KDE used to provide the option for global menus.
It does have global menu. Figuring out what things are called in the new language of plasma and plasmoids takes some reading to figure, but that particular part of the UI is fine on KDE once you configure it to your liking.
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#126Serious question time. What benefit will I get from running something like Elementary over Ubuntu? Forgive my ignorance, but honestly the whole OS looks like it's just a fork of Ubuntu with a couple of swapped in applications, and a GTK3 theme on top of GNOME trying to make it look like a ten year old version of macOS. I hate to be so negative, but the "new greeter" they are showing looks like something from Windows…
The majority of Linux distros are just forks of other major distros with swapped apps/DEs, so no need to expect magic. Elementary definitely has a nicer software center UI and I personally love their terminal application more than others (even though I currently use Kubuntu). Many people like it because it reminds them of macOS, even though you don't. And you're kind of right about GTK, but elementaryOS uses the Pant…
Unfortunately, at least when I last tried during Loki, it's also extremely limited. I couldn't even install Firefox. Software in general seems to be limited solely to their bespoke storefront, which I'm not opposed to on principle, but (at the time anyway) it was pretty limited.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
As much as elementary clearly takes inspiration from macOS, the developers have been quite clear that they're not trying to make a mac clone. You can agree or disagree with that mission, but it is what it is.
One of the best things about macOS is the special character inputs, which is one place I think Apple has outshone their competitors for a while. Even if Elementary doesn’t introduce the same keybindings it would be nice to have some set up automatically without having to fiddle with the compose key settings. It’s a very common UX issue imho and also an area where you can easily “beat Windows”
Special characters through the keyboard like these?
ł€æßðđŧŋ«»¢“”←ħn↓ĸ→ø
Those are input from just pressing ALT(right) +
The € is ALTgr + e. ¢ is ALTgr + SHIFT + e.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Replying to myself with more info: This is proving exceptionally hard to search the web for, so apologies if this is out of date, but it seems the answer was “no, and it never will be, so stop asking” as of 2018: https://twitter.com/danielfore/status/991836014070022144 Was this from before Elementary was positioning as the MacOS replacement? I can’t be the only one who thinks the global menu is one of the MacOS inter…
Wow, that guy seems to be completely out of touch with desktop UI and UX. His main source of arguments is that iOS and Android doesn't do X, so Elementary shouldn't either - a what now? Is he really comparing a touchbased small screen device OS that is primarily used for casual applications to keyboard/mouse desktop that is often used in a complex professional environments? That's one way to kill any credibility you…
I agree on the substance of your comment re: interfaces, but let’s not put too much stock in a random tweet. He might not mean any of that.
In any case, this release of Elementary isn’t any more paired down than the latest GNOME shell.
They seem to have a relatively sane approach to building GUI toolkit (though “sane” is relative given this particular domain) so I’m curious to see where they take things even if I don’t use it.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Linux has 3 keybinding schemes among which you can choose: emacs, vim and cua (what IBM introduced some years later, ctrl+c etc.). I don't see why introducing a fourth one would help? The main reason you can't simply flick a global switch between those three but have to do it per app seems to be the license of GNU readline.
Care to recommend a virtual terminal client app that supports Emacs keybindings well? Preferably available from Ubuntu 'apt'.
Is it cheating to say emacs itself?
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#130I hope the ui not built with vala
Why not? Anything that helps not writing unsafe C code is a plus.