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Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by JackWritesCode »

sdan wrote: post #69
thinkxl wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is overkill. > It definitely is. It is not, you pay $14 and you get basic analytics and this https://usefathom.com/news/anonymization that's worth the money for me. > It's cheaper, faster (by a 3-4x margin), and simple. What about user privacy? are you anonymizing the users?

As a student (and a developer) I see paying $14 a month a huge expense. To really promote the privacy and accessibility for all, I'm building this to make it free and will absorb the compute costs if I have to for the sake of value for customers. Finally, yes, I'm planning to utilize a variety of shuffling and hashing techniques to anonymize users, data, and all other aspects. At the moment, I'm focusing on getting u…

Keep pushing man. We're getting between 300ms - 600ms response from your endpoint (from a single datacenter) but I wish you luck with hitting under 90ms average.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by pauljarvis »

sdan wrote: post #69
thinkxl wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is overkill. > It definitely is. It is not, you pay $14 and you get basic analytics and this https://usefathom.com/news/anonymization that's worth the money for me. > It's cheaper, faster (by a 3-4x margin), and simple. What about user privacy? are you anonymizing the users?

As a student (and a developer) I see paying $14 a month a huge expense. To really promote the privacy and accessibility for all, I'm building this to make it free and will absorb the compute costs if I have to for the sake of value for customers. Finally, yes, I'm planning to utilize a variety of shuffling and hashing techniques to anonymize users, data, and all other aspects. At the moment, I'm focusing on getting u…

Your stats are wholly incomplete compared to Fathom, lack any kind of GUI, graphs, or date-based filters. I think the comparison in speed is like comparing an apple to an elephant :)

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by sdan »

JackWritesCode wrote: post #71
sdan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a student (and a developer) I see paying $14 a month a huge expense. To really promote the privacy and accessibility for all, I'm building this to make it free and will absorb the compute costs if I have to for the sake of value for customers. Finally, yes, I'm planning to utilize a variety of shuffling and hashing techniques to anonymize users, data, and all other aspects. At the moment, I'm focusing on getting u…

Keep pushing man. We're getting between 300ms - 600ms response from your endpoint (from a single datacenter) but I wish you luck with hitting under 90ms average.

Actually addressed that on the website. Currently I'm getting an average of 1 second globally which is super slow. I'm going to migrate to the faster branch soon, which wouldn't be much of a problem, but am going to release a bunch of stuff alongside it.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

#74

Post by sdan »

pauljarvis wrote: post #72
sdan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a student (and a developer) I see paying $14 a month a huge expense. To really promote the privacy and accessibility for all, I'm building this to make it free and will absorb the compute costs if I have to for the sake of value for customers. Finally, yes, I'm planning to utilize a variety of shuffling and hashing techniques to anonymize users, data, and all other aspects. At the moment, I'm focusing on getting u…

Your stats are wholly incomplete compared to Fathom, lack any kind of GUI, graphs, or date-based filters. I think the comparison in speed is like comparing an apple to an elephant :)

Yeah I'm lacking a ton of stuff. No GUI, nothing in fact. But the tracker I've implemented (not into prod yet) does get under 90ms globally.

Your service, which I've seen is serverless, is actually pretty fast compared to other services and for that I have to admire your work. However, as I've done some response time testing on Postman (https://twitter.com/notsuryad/status/1199201916850278400?s=2...) I've found that my service is getting right next to Google Analytics' response times.

I'll release more details about how I've conducted this soon, but I hope the best for Fathom (I've used Fathom self hosted before but ran into some issues).

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

#76

Post by notacoward »

JackWritesCode wrote: post #66
notacoward wrote: post #63

The title is misleading. This isn't about Big Tech. It's about Google specifically . Why not name them?

It applies to big tech. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_data_breaches etc.

Yes, those things happened, but they're not relevant to this advertorial which is very clearly about Google Analytics. Facebook doesn't run Google Analytics. Yahoo doesn't run Google Analytics. Google does. It's just oh-so-convenient how people always name-and-shame every other company, but when Google is the culprit it's "big tech" in general.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

#77

Post by Porthos9K »

ibudiallo wrote: post #38

Most people I know with small websites will not pay $15/month for analytics. The privacy part of it is also not really the concern of small website owners. This is not to dismiss Fathom entirely. But there are free alternative (with server setup cost) that keeps your data private: Matomo (formerly Piwik). I've run it in parallel with Google Analytics and it was the closest replacement I could find. But again, small w…

I have a couple of small websites. Rather than inflict Google Analytics on my occasional visitors or pay for this, I just do without.

Besides, I think the only stance that genuinely respects the user's rights is the one that says no data should be collected, ever.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by JackWritesCode »

Porthos9K wrote: post #77
ibudiallo wrote: post #38

Most people I know with small websites will not pay $15/month for analytics. The privacy part of it is also not really the concern of small website owners. This is not to dismiss Fathom entirely. But there are free alternative (with server setup cost) that keeps your data private: Matomo (formerly Piwik). I've run it in parallel with Google Analytics and it was the closest replacement I could find. But again, small w…

I have a couple of small websites. Rather than inflict Google Analytics on my occasional visitors or pay for this, I just do without. Besides, I think the only stance that genuinely respects the user's rights is the one that says no data should be collected, ever .

We collect total page views, total uniques, browsers, countries, device types and goal hits in aggregate.

Privacy started becoming more important when we started seeing the gross tactics companies used to identify you & link all of your actions / history to you. Fathom doesn't do this and never will.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by JackWritesCode »

notacoward wrote: post #76
JackWritesCode wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It applies to big tech. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_data_breaches etc.

Yes, those things happened, but they're not relevant to this advertorial which is very clearly about Google Analytics. Facebook doesn't run Google Analytics. Yahoo doesn't run Google Analytics. Google does. It's just oh-so-convenient how people always name-and-shame every other company, but when Google is the culprit it's "big tech" in general.

Fair enough, point taken. We could've named Google in the title.

Re: Make your website a black hole to big tech

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Post by Porthos9K »

JackWritesCode wrote: post #78
Porthos9K wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a couple of small websites. Rather than inflict Google Analytics on my occasional visitors or pay for this, I just do without. Besides, I think the only stance that genuinely respects the user's rights is the one that says no data should be collected, ever .

We collect total page views, total uniques, browsers, countries, device types and goal hits in aggregate. Privacy started becoming more important when we started seeing the gross tactics companies used to identify you & link all of your actions / history to you. Fathom doesn't do this and never will.

Can't that information be gathered from http server logs?
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