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Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by filmgirlcw »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #104
filmgirlcw wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't it better to ship something flawed and continue improving while already in the hands of people than to ship nothing at all and appear more and more like vaporware? If you position it purely as a hobbyist project and do not guarantee it for day to day use, I think that’s fine. This is fine for a dev kit. I think taking preorders and trying to sell it as a privacy-focused phone that can be a real alternative to…

None of the pre-ordered (after the campaign) devices shipped yet, those are early batches sent to early backers who were given a choice to either get them now, or wait for mass produced version.

I understand that. You're still pre-ordering something that there isn't concrete proof will be ready/as described.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by computerex »

kop316 wrote: post #103
unlinked_dll wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's absurdly pedantic. If it can't use audio during a phone call, then the device is incapable of making phone calls. That's like arguing you have a functioning heart because it's connected to your veins but can't pump blood.

If you look at another reply, the bug was fixed already. But to your original comment, I'd argue it's not. Saying it can't make phone calls implies there's a much more severe issue than it apparently was.

It's not fixed. What gives you the impression that it is? No update has been rolled out with a fix.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by computerex »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #101
wander_homer wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have been upfront about that from what I can tell. Not really: > Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone? > A: Yes! Even the very earliest batches will be capable smartphone, including a modern web browser and core cell phone functionality. https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/

That point still stands. It will be a capable smartphone, including a modern web browser and core cell phone functionality.

"core cell phone functionality" includes making a call. Has the official update with a fix been sent out yet?

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by duskwuff »

kop316 wrote: post #103
unlinked_dll wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's absurdly pedantic. If it can't use audio during a phone call, then the device is incapable of making phone calls. That's like arguing you have a functioning heart because it's connected to your veins but can't pump blood.

If you look at another reply, the bug was fixed already. But to your original comment, I'd argue it's not. Saying it can't make phone calls implies there's a much more severe issue than it apparently was.

It's still, quite plainly, ridiculous that they shipped a "phone" which could not (yet) make telephone calls. Even if they fixed the issue in a later software release, the fact remains that they shipped a product in an incomplete, partially unusable state.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by kop316 »

computerex wrote: post #112
kop316 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at another reply, the bug was fixed already. But to your original comment, I'd argue it's not. Saying it can't make phone calls implies there's a much more severe issue than it apparently was.

It's not fixed. What gives you the impression that it is? No update has been rolled out with a fix.

Please read the other reply to the comment. You'll see where I got the impression then.

Edit: it looks like the person also directly replied to another comment of yours, so I'll add that here:

" > and of course this "bug" hasn't been fixed

You can hear call audio if you use CI images since a few days ago already. Last rough edges are being sorted out right now before finally packaging it all into PureOS."

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by kop316 »

duskwuff wrote: post #114
kop316 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at another reply, the bug was fixed already. But to your original comment, I'd argue it's not. Saying it can't make phone calls implies there's a much more severe issue than it apparently was.

It's still, quite plainly, ridiculous that they shipped a "phone" which could not (yet) make telephone calls. Even if they fixed the issue in a later software release, the fact remains that they shipped a product in an incomplete, partially unusable state.

Since you didn't read past the first paragraph, I'll repeat it here:

"In addition, the backers getting the phone now were explicitly told that the software isn't polished yet, and that they are getting beta hardware. The backers were offered also to be allowed to wait for a later batch if they wanted to."

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #82
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #55

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For two years until the non-replaceable batteries in the used phones wear out, so you'd also have to do it again every two years. Whereas with this, it's expensive because it's uncommon, but the more people who buy one the faster they can cover their development costs or fund further development that makes them more popular and achieve economies of scale, and the sooner it is that they can be making them at commodity…

Give them Samsung Galaxy S5s, which do have replaceable batteries.

Then you've got five year old phones. Even if you can get batteries for them in two years, then they'll be seven year old phones.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by kop316 »

LMYahooTFY wrote: post #89
fghtr wrote: post #14

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Why Librem 5 costs that much: https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ Upd: quote from the Purism forum: "First hardware kill switches; first replaceable cellular modem and Wi-Fi/ Bluetooth (on M.2 cards); first smart card reader (for 2FF OpenPGP card); first running 100% free software; only current phone to offer convergence as PC without special hardware" https://forums.puri.sm/t/will-the-librem-5-be-a-white-elepha..…

What purpose is there for being able to remove the cell modem? If it's going to run a Broadcom/Qualcomm binary anyway to function, what do you really gain? Someone who's concerned about this level of eavesdropping I would think shouldn't bother with cellular devices at all?

The only other way to do it is to have an SoC with the modem integrated on chip. The issue with that becomes that the firmware and usually drivers force a certain Linux version (my tablet is stick on Linux 3.10, my phone is on 4.19 and I'd be amazed if it was ever upgraded).

With this way, they can mainline the entire set up and not force non-free dependencies.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by computerex »

kop316 wrote: post #115
computerex wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not fixed. What gives you the impression that it is? No update has been rolled out with a fix.

Please read the other reply to the comment. You'll see where I got the impression then. Edit: it looks like the person also directly replied to another comment of yours, so I'll add that here: " > and of course this "bug" hasn't been fixed You can hear call audio if you use CI images since a few days ago already. Last rough edges are being sorted out right now before finally packaging it all into PureOS."

The "fix" hasn't been distributed out via an update. You can't expect consumers to go pull images off github. You can't call a problem "fixed" when the alleged "fix" hasn't even been distributed or tested by the public en mass.

Re: Librem 5 USA

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Post by computerex »

kop316 wrote: post #116
duskwuff wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still, quite plainly, ridiculous that they shipped a "phone" which could not (yet) make telephone calls. Even if they fixed the issue in a later software release, the fact remains that they shipped a product in an incomplete, partially unusable state.

Since you didn't read past the first paragraph, I'll repeat it here: "In addition, the backers getting the phone now were explicitly told that the software isn't polished yet, and that they are getting beta hardware. The backers were offered also to be allowed to wait for a later batch if they wanted to."

Actually this is what they on their FAQ

> Q: If I receive the Librem 5 from one of the first batches, will I have a fully functional phone?

> A: Yes! Even the very earliest batches will be capable smartphone, including a modern web browser and core cell phone functionality.

https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-batch-faq/

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