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Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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Right but eventually they money has to get from the company to the consultant - either dividends or wages. Either way it'll be taxed.

Yep. Eventually. Meanwhile Buffett's tax rate on his (and his companies) income is within the distance of epsilon from zero. Can you estimate when Buffett is going to need the bulk of the money from his compankes to buy a new house? How long heis going to have approximately zero tax rate, that is? My personal estimate is with a very good approximation 'never'.

As long as berkshire hathaway is paying capital gains on every investment, why would you care if the money stays invested in the company?

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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Long term I don't think western countries have much of a chance :(. Due to how political systems work in China vs the West China can easily invest in large scale long term projects and it costs them a tiny fraction to develop new or upgrade old infrastructure. Given a large enough time span this will give China a huge advantage.

But historically, authoritarian systems aren't very stable. China might very well collapse if they make some bad decisions. I think an authoritarian system is more likely to make bad decisions, because people that decide things are further from the ground, they have less information.

Given the rise of populism across the West ...

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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(Just ignore the racism and discussion of "not real americans" and whitewashing of violence of minorities and horrifying concentration camps.)

Are you speaking of foreign citizens illegally gaining access to the United States? Which are placed in camps (call them concentration camps if you will but they in no way resemble what China is doing to the Uyghurs, i.e. a true concentration camp). And once in these camps they are processed for asylum, refugee status, etc? Yes, they may be stuck in these ‘horrifying’ camps which is not where they want to be. But the…

Just because they're not as bad as China doesn't mean they're not horrendous. I mean, families are separated! How can you defend such a system? The USA is very rich, and has the means to provide a dignified process. I mean, you're a country of mostly immigrant-descendants, right?

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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Europeans like me like America because they are very vocal about freedom and liberty but we are waking up to the reality that it's all talk. The USA behaves like Russia and China, they spy on foreigners, influence their elections, start unjustified wars for oil and generally have a very low regard for freedom and liberty outside of their soil. USA are not the good guys and Russia and China are not the bad guys they a…

I'm not sure if the US freedoms are just talk because all those successful companies which Spain wants to tax were started in US not in EU. So Spain with it's $12B of export can risk imposing tariffs (it's essentially a tax at mostly US companies) compared to e.g. Germany which exports much more.

It's probably not about freedom since the same freedom in California doesn't seem to be able to create similar outcomes in, let's say, Alabama.

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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I have been seeing these headlines more and more lately and I have a nagging suspicion that somebody is pushing an agenda. What exactly that agenda is remains to be seen. As for the news article you mentioned, it should be noted that the £28m is corporate tax, not _all_ the taxes. I'm reasonably sure that FAANG is not shirking the government on VAT or payroll taxes. As for why they pay so little corporate tax, I'd gu…

There are currently a lot of ways for multinational companies to reduce their tax burden to near zero by for example Microsoft allocating most of their European profits to a DVD stamping plant in Ireland which had a near zero rate at the time. Also they are kind of expected to maximise shareholder value by taking advantage of such legal avoidance schemes. The proper way to stop this is for counties to make anti avoid…

> The proper way to stop this is for counties to make anti avoidance laws.

You mean tax evasion, not tax avoidance, right? Last time I checked, avoidance was legal, evasion was not.

If you actually did mean tax avoidance, then I must point out how dangerous the idea of somebody arbitrarily deciding what _legal_ option is okay or isn't okay on a case by case basis.

I'd much rather have some things reclassified as tax evasion rather than having a "just trust us" system in place that decides when something is legal or not.

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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post #96

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Right but eventually they money has to get from the company to the consultant - either dividends or wages. Either way it'll be taxed.

Yep. Eventually. Meanwhile Buffett's tax rate on his (and his companies) income is within the distance of epsilon from zero. Can you estimate when Buffett is going to need the bulk of the money from his compankes to buy a new house? How long heis going to have approximately zero tax rate, that is? My personal estimate is with a very good approximation 'never'.

Buffet pays capital gains taxes and most economists who argue for dropping the corporate income tax only recommend so with an increase in income/cap gains taxes or even merging them.

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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I think taxes is already so high that half of person earnings goes to retards in government. Why do we pay taxes? I know many people that have close to 0 benefits from government. I would propose all governments to make taxes 5% or 10% and remove themselves from governing.

> I know many people that have close to 0 benefits from government.

somalia?

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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post #120

I have been seeing these headlines more and more lately and I have a nagging suspicion that somebody is pushing an agenda. What exactly that agenda is remains to be seen. As for the news article you mentioned, it should be noted that the £28m is corporate tax, not _all_ the taxes. I'm reasonably sure that FAANG is not shirking the government on VAT or payroll taxes. As for why they pay so little corporate tax, I'd gu…

I'm sure the media does have an agenda here, that's not to say there isn't a problem though.

I don't know about Spain but the UK has FAANG cost centres, Google employees 3,500 people in the UK for instance.

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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I agree that corporate taxes aren't strictly required. They are useful though, if you think about international capital markets. Without corporate taxes, foreign investors could extract all profits from a company, without paying any income tax in its country of residence. You are right about double taxation, but you can think of corporate tax as a part of income tax that is guaranteed to benefit the country where the…

>Without corporate taxes, foreign investors could extract all profits from a company, without paying any income tax in its country of residence. Howso? You still have income tax and capital gains tax.

which is zero if you re resident in some interesting countries.

Re: Spain planning on going ahead with ‘Google tax’ despite US tariff threats

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The EU will never close tax loopholes since there will always be a veto from the likes of Ireland, Netherlands, Luxembourgh or UK.

Wow. The EU requires unanimous approval. The Europeans looks at the US’ Articles of Confederation and said, “we can make that work.” They need a rogue group of reformers that create a new system of government, illegally, like the US’ Federalists. Only then will the EU get its shit together.

The reason the EU's system is so similar is that the circumstances are similar. If you don't require unanimous approval on critical issues then why would smaller countries ever join with Germany, France, Italy, and the UK around?
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