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philwelch wrote: post #547
foldr wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

School children do occasionally stab each other using scissors (e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47474896 ). Depending on the context, removing large scissors from the school premises is not obviously an overreaction. The ones pictured are much larger than required for most crafty purposes, and have sharp rather than rounded ends. This is a red herring in any case, since schools in the US would be pe…

You’re really fond of the fatuous technicalities, aren’t you? Of course confiscating knives, scissors, screwdrivers, and pliers isn’t technically gun control because these tools aren’t technically guns. Well-observed.

No, I meant to point out that schools in the US can confiscate anything they like - it's not a 2A issue.

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Post by foldr »

philwelch wrote: post #546
foldr wrote: post #536

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You're reading a lot of things into my original reply that just aren't there.

If so, it’s only because I was making the IMO generous assumption that your original reply was meant to actually refute my thesis that “ America has been one of the freest countries in the world for at least 150-some years.”, and CDSlice’s argument that “America could still be one of the freest countries in the last 150 years if most everyone else was even worse.” If you were intentionally making insufficient and hen…

>If so, it’s only because I was making the IMO generous assumption that your original reply was meant to actually refute my thesis

It wasn't. Note that I was not replying to your comment.

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Post by foldr »

CompanionCubee wrote: post #548
foldr wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first points is obscured by snark. The second seems to be based on a misreading. The third is merely the observation that empirical reasoning is non-demonstrative. As for number four, I see that you are another pro-gun poster who is unfamiliar with the absolute basics of firearm safety. That doesn't make a great case for private gun ownership. Here's what the pinky leftos at concealednation.org have to say (see…

That's quite a lot of pot calling. And your last paragraph is just a complete misunderstanding of what the poster said. My comment was not to denounce the rule about where you point the gun, but to note that your claim about killing was unfounded. > And I don't have to kill them if I pull a gun on one The fact that you don't understand this is really troublesome. Are you one of those people who believes in that old m…

Hmm? The point is that whenever you point a gun at someone there's a significant risk that you'll shoot and kill them. Hence, you should not do it if this is not your intention. This precludes threatening people by pointing guns at them, except in the case where you are prepared to take full responsibility for their death, should this occur.

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Post by philwelch »

foldr wrote: post #552
philwelch wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so, it’s only because I was making the IMO generous assumption that your original reply was meant to actually refute my thesis that “ America has been one of the freest countries in the world for at least 150-some years.”, and CDSlice’s argument that “America could still be one of the freest countries in the last 150 years if most everyone else was even worse.” If you were intentionally making insufficient and hen…

>If so, it’s only because I was making the IMO generous assumption that your original reply was meant to actually refute my thesis It wasn't. Note that I was not replying to your comment.

You were responding—fatuously—to CDSlice’s comment that “America could still be one of the freest countries in the last 150 years if most everyone else was even worse.” Which is a restatement of my thesis.

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Post by CompanionCubee »

foldr wrote: post #553
CompanionCubee wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite a lot of pot calling. And your last paragraph is just a complete misunderstanding of what the poster said. My comment was not to denounce the rule about where you point the gun, but to note that your claim about killing was unfounded. > And I don't have to kill them if I pull a gun on one The fact that you don't understand this is really troublesome. Are you one of those people who believes in that old m…

Hmm? The point is that whenever you point a gun at someone there's a significant risk that you'll shoot and kill them. Hence, you should not do it if this is not your intention. This precludes threatening people by pointing guns at them, except in the case where you are prepared to take full responsibility for their death, should this occur.

So you agree with the other poster that is is possible to pull a gun and point it at them without killing them. What a roundabout way of pretending to disagree.

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Post by CompanionCubee »

pnako wrote: post #308
philwelch wrote: post #179

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> Just look at the recent terrorist incident in London. The guy killed two people with a knife before being restrained by unarmed members of the public. The people restraining him were armed with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal tusk, and he was ultimately subdued by the police shooting him with guns. Also, since banning guns didn’t actually seem to fix anything, they’re now working on banning knives. So you can’t j…

... that is, until they ban narwhal tusks too!

Don't forget fire extinguishers! There's no reason for a regular subject to have one of those, better to leave it to the professionals.

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Post by viridian »

ajross wrote: post #467
viridian wrote: post #19

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It's a very unpopular opinion w.r.t. to America. Gallup conducts a firearms poll every year, and the closest thing to a total ban question is a total ban on handguns. "Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?" should be: 29 should not be: 70 no opinion: 1

You've cherry picked the most restrictive "total ban" question, though, and used it as a strawman. Here's the actual poll page: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx I don't think anyone sane would read that page, the questions, and in particular trends, and come to the conclusion that gun regulation is a "very unpopular opinion". But on this site: yes, it's unpopular.

The parent you replied to was about a total ban. It's not cherry picking to try to match apples to apples.

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Post by slothtrop »

jdkdnfndnfjd wrote: post #462
slothtrop wrote: post #426

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> it’s our 2A right that we should dismantle, not the public schools? Didn't say that, nor do I believe that. Just correcting the above. > So the vast majority of gun death happens because of illegal guns Well the majority are suicide, with legal guns. As for homicide, yes. But people don't care about that, really. They care about mass shootings, or school shootings. > The wretched cesspools that we call public schoo…

I agree with none of that. You’re flat out wrong about schools. People from Russia for example who transfer often make note of how amazingly viscous American high schools are. There is a massive difference. Massive.

Lot of good it does to compare anecdotes. You believe it because you want to.

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

foldr wrote: post #541
CompanionCuuube wrote: post #521

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> So why are you worried about gun bans? You can just use a knife instead. You seem to be confused about the concept that self-defense is a different use case than mass shootings. Why is that? > I think you must know, really, that guns are more dangerous and effective than knives. That's why you want the right to own one. Are you under the impression that this poster would not object to a ban on knives? Why? > It's a…

Your first points is obscured by snark. The second seems to be based on a misreading. The third is merely the observation that empirical reasoning is non-demonstrative. As for number four, I see that you are another pro-gun poster who is unfamiliar with the absolute basics of firearm safety. That doesn't make a great case for private gun ownership. Here's what the pinky leftos at concealednation.org have to say (see…

> Your first points is obscured by snark.

What is obscured about the observation that your comment doesn't recognize the differences between self-defense and mass shootings, and how the qualities of the weapon affect the benefits for the user?

> The second seems to be based on a misreading.

You'll have to explain why questioning an intellectually defunct implication is a "misreading".

"that guns are more dangerous and effective than knives. That's why you want the right to own one."

Considering your claim is that desiring the right to own one is some kind of evidence that guns are "more dangerous and effective", it is thoroughly debunked if the person also desires the right to own knives.

> The third is merely the observation that empirical reasoning is non-demonstrative.

It should be noted that making a gigantic logical leap from "guns are more dangerous and effective than knives" to "It's also why the US has frequent mass shootings in schools, whereas there are no instances of mass stabbings in UK schools" is to ignore the social, cultural, economic factors that affect crime. That's not a good basis for understanding of criminal behavior.

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Post by 1996 »

dang wrote: post #484
1996 wrote: post #321

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Do you sleep well at night?

No personal attacks please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry you see that as personal attack. It is not mean to be directed to one person. It is mostly against the lack of ethics in the profession at large.

I can understand less and less how other programmers can do this kind of work.

Everyone got to put food on the table, but if the money comes from destroying personal freedom, I could not sleep at night and I would take any other job.

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