Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance • Hacker News Board

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by ptero » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

t34543 wrote: post #2

> This level of surveillance is “not too over-the-top”, Ingrid said, and she feels her classmates are generally “accepting” of it. Of course they think that, they’re still kids. Who’s going to protect them from surveillance? IMO this is way over the top - and it’s conditioning future generations to accept this level of surveillance as adults.

Agreed. And I wonder if the answer would be different if they asked parents instead of kids (who remember having regular, metal knives at school cafeterias; being able to bring a folding knife to school; etc.).

It seems to me that that public acceptance of such surveillance is a side effect of the mainstream media pushing scares and sensationalist coverage (because this is the only thing they have a chance of selling), not some grand evil plan, but not sure.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by adamnemecek » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

I dont get how the school can justify this.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by qxnqd » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:01 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #9

umvi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Exactly. Force schools to quantify this risk against others. More kids die cycling to school than by guns.

Schools aren't responsible for kids who die cycling to school.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by nguoi » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #9

umvi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Exactly. Force schools to quantify this risk against others. More kids die cycling to school than by guns.

Do clear backpacks increase the risk of dying from cycling?

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by cbm-vic-20 » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #9

umvi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Exactly. Force schools to quantify this risk against others. More kids die cycling to school than by guns.

High-school kids playing football are more likely to die directly or indirectly from playing than they are from being shot.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by turk73 » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #4

Unpopular opinion: make private gun ownership illegal instead of forcing kids to be monitored to make sure they're not carrying

I'd rather just shut down the schools than give up any more rights. If you haven't noticed, our Federal government is totally out of control and has gone rogue and I don't think it's a very good idea to cede any further power or individual rights to that monster.

The right to bear arms was paid for in blood and not just once. Good men laid down their lives so we could have these rights. That a few kooks will shoot up schools is sad, but it's hardly a reason to let a bunch of asswipe cucks give up what was fought so hard for.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by xwdv » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

The point of clear backpacks isn’t to make sure they aren’t carrying guns, it’s to make sure they aren’t carrying drugs or other illicit material, which is a bigger problem and harder to control.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by twoquestions » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

Why do they spend so many words talking about preventing self-harm and suicide? In my experience the school doesn't actually care, so long as they don't off themselves on school grounds. At least when kids died when I was at school, the administration was pitiless towards their siblings' assignments and attendance, and punished them for crying in grief.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by viridian » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:07 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #7

mattlondon wrote: post #4

Unpopular opinion: make private gun ownership illegal instead of forcing kids to be monitored to make sure they're not carrying

That's not an unpopular opinion, though it probably is on this site.

It's a very unpopular opinion w.r.t. to America.

Gallup conducts a firearms poll every year, and the closest thing to a total ban question is a total ban on handguns.

"Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?"

should be: 29

should not be: 70

no opinion: 1

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by rahuldottech » Mon, Dec 02, 2019, 2:07 PM UTC

THIS IS NOT OKAY.

We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance.

And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that data that's been collected on you your whole life will be used against you to give you a flawed AI-generated social "score" that determines what you can or cannot do, or to determine whether or not you're a "threat" (see: someone who speaks out against wrongdoings) to such a government.