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Re: IPv6 is here

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Sigh... this idea has to get thrown out every time there's an IPv4-exhaustion discussion. I guess I'll be the one to do the public service of debunking it this time. * You can assume that each of the /8s have plenty of infrastructure relying on them, meaning $millions in migration costs. Do you think that the holders will just give them up tomorrow, or do you think its more likely they'll sick some lawyers on the pro…

Although the /8s have an entire infrastructure relying on their current situation, it is not unthinkable that the economical advantage of making subsets of their space available to third parties will become more attractive than just letting it sit idle. It might even justify the migration costs. So maybe we'll see parts of IBM, Apple and HP transform to IP/DNS providers. Apart from that, it's not a question of having…

The "IPv4 marketplace" idea has serious issues of its own, though:

1. it's ARIN (and, I think, other registrars) policy that you do not `own' your assignments in any legal sense. So if you sell them you may be committing fraud. If the deal goes bad it's not clear what the legal recourse would be. This is just a flipside of the "take back the /8s" problem: it gives too much for the lawyers to do.

They might even collide: suppose a large company with a /8 (say, Haliburton) decides to open a IPv4 marketplace. In response, ARIN says "well its clear you have more IP space than you need, so we're taking back your allocation effective next month" Now who has the rights to those IPs: the people who paid Haliburton for them, or those that got them in new assignments from ARIN?

2. Just having an IPv4 address isn't useful if it isn't routable. To split up a /8 into tiny salable bits means that all of the backbones need to update their BGP route prefix filters.

If this were done under the auspices of ICANN this wouldn't be a big problem at all: if ICANN says that the allocation policy for an address range has changed then all of the big players will follow suit. (There can be a few remaining routing issues for a new /8 on the periphery but they tend to get sorted out fairly quickly)

Would a similar announcement from Halliburton have the same effect? Doubtful, especially if it is done in opposition to ICANN's wishes. So probably any IPs "bought" in this system won't actually be routable.

3. Related: even if there was a healthy, 100% legal marketplace for IPv4 space it could only be practical if they were bought and sold in large chunks exclusively. If everybody who wanted some space for their company had to buy their own /28, the global BGP routing table would completely explode.

The only workable marketplace would be at the ISP level.

4. The registries are all united in wanting IPv6 deployed. Having companies making big profits selling their lucky IPv4 windfalls means that there would be deep-pocketed people with a vested interest in stalling IPv6 even more... after all if IPv6 were widely deployed the value of `their' IPv4 addresses would plummet.

Now it is true that if the IPv4 situation becomes dire enough, some of these players might decide to suddenly get into the hosting game and put more of their IP space to use. For instance, Apple has a /8 and just built a HUGE datacenter.. maybe they want to do their own version of EC2? The idea is a little odd but maybe not unthinkable

Re: IPv6 is here

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I only have a basic understanding of IPv4 vs IPv6, so can someone explain to me: a) what impact will this have on me as Joe Public internet user? b) what impact will this have on me as a web developer? Or point me to suitable websites that explain in quick skimmable chunks...

a) Eventually (most likely next year or later), if you do not have IPv6 connectivity, there will be new content and sites added to the global internet that you will have no way of accessing at all from your v4 connected computer. a2) Alternatively, in a year or so, you get service from a brand new ISP that has no v4 connectivity (so, you are v6 native), and you cannot access anything on the v4 Internet around the wor…

Thank you!

Re: IPv6 is here

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But if you only buy an ipv6 address, the people who are only on ipv4 can't get to you. By itself, the ipv6 address is nearly worthless. The only people who have them now are people who also have an ipv4 address. ipv4 isn't going away any time soon...

Nope, there's always NAT64+DNS64 to rescue. Well, when ISP hits a cap they either have to get more IPv4 addresses (which they won't be able to do soon) or use some NAT. Except for legacy systems support, NAT64 is clearly a winner here.

NAT64 works fine if you have an ipv6 client and want to talk to ipv6. That's just regular old network address translation. But if your server is on ipv6, NAT64 still needs an ipv4 address so that people there can get to you. The ipv6 address is pointless-- it's easier just to put your server on ipv4 and not mess with NAT64 or ipv6.

Re: IPv6 is here

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Here, yes, but not particularly wide-spread and slowly becoming more necessary. A little tool I built last week .. is your site IPv6 ready? http://ready.chair6.net

I like it. You should also add checks for ipv6 glue records. I advertise ipv6 dns servers but I do not yet have glue, so you still need to connect to my dns servers over ipv4. According to your tool I just have to convince google to add AAAA records to their MX targets and I'm set, but I'm not :)

Thanks for the suggestion.. I added a few more DNS-related checks. I think I have the tests/logic right but please let me know if you spot any errors.
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