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Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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easily solved: Buy this book for 10$ on amazon.com Buy this book for 13$ with your itunes account* *explanation

This is the first solution I hit upon: show the user the pricing of each option and see what happens.

I wonder what creative solution Apple will come up with. Bah, it won't be creative, it'll be:

* An app will not charge consumers more to purchase content in-app then they would in other locations.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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post #80

I think it will be interesting to see how this dispute will end. In any case the user will loose, take Amazon for example, I see two possibilities: 1. Amazon will leave App Store. We loose because we can not use our iPads and iPhones to access Kindle books. 2. Amazon will comply with the Apple demand and they will cut 30% for Apple ... hmmm ... Basically they will be forced to rise the price of their books to allow f…

Mmmyes, but APPLE wins. And really, isn't that what everyone wants? Doesn't Steve DESERVE more money? After all, his shiny things are Oh So Shiny.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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I'd like to say "Apple, you're already bringing in record revenue quarters, why are you doing this?" But I think the answer would be "because we can," Apple is creating a monopolistic market place for media (look at the battle of record labels providing DRM to Apple and non-DRM to Amazon to lessen-Apple's grip over their digital content) and applications. I think requiring a big player like Sony or Amazon to comply with new policies, will not go over well. I can't see Sony telling Apple "forget it," since I don't know anyone with a Sony eReader... but I could see Amazon and the Kindle, rightly, starting an issue over this. Apple has done a great job of making user friendly (see: locked down) platforms which work well, but the DRM battle and now this could turn public opinion against them.

Apple is just trying to create a new revenue stream early on as iPad sales increase and the tablet market heats up; smart move. It'll take a big ereader player like Amazon to battle them, and if ereader content creates a price hike war due to Apple's insistence on 30% cuts, then negative public sentiment towards pricing or not having access to ebook material that has already been purchased on one platform will hopefully create a retraction in Apple's policy. But then again, the airlines never got rid the baggage fee, and even with negative sentiment we all still pay them.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

#114
This is probably one of the reasons I stayed away from iOS. Too much policing. It is absolutely ridiculous to force Amazon, Sony to offer purchases through the app store and give 30% of their cut to Apple. I hope Amazon and Sony takes off their apps or charge an additional 30% if the purchase is done from the respective iOS apps.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or possibility number 4: Amazon removes any mention of purchasing books from the app. The way I read the statement from Apple, they are not saying that if developers offer purchasing outside the app, then they must offer in-app purchasing. They are saying that if an app offers purchasing options, those have to go through the in-app purchasing model. It's still pretty crappy, but basically, all Amazon would have to do…

Think about this from Apple point of view, the Kindle app is free, uses Apple infrastructure, and Apple get nothing out of it, besides the increased usefulness of their devices (which isn't tiny). I can understand them wanting to get something for this. I am not saying that this is what they believe, because I still think it is crazy.

"Think about this from Microsoft's point of view, the [foobar] app is free, uses Microsoft's infrastructure, and Microsoft get nothing out of it, besides the increased usefulness of their devices (which isn't tiny)."

Yeah, that's right. Even fucking Microsoft is more level-headed and market friendly than Apple.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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post #29

I think we were all afraid of some move like this. Nobody cares about Sony's ebooks. Everybody (me included) cares about Kindle. I can sort of understand where Apple is coming from in this. They provide an ecosystem and apps live within their ecosystem. That being said, I can't see Amazon or any other big player rolling over on a margin of 30%. This is the problem with one fixed margin: it works well for apps and mus…

When debating the openness of platforms, an example oft mentioned is consoles: Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony each own their respective console market, taking a tithe from every transaction occurring on the device. Such an example has frequently been used to justify various of Apple's actions.

I don't buy it, though.

My xbox is just a toy, in essence. It's an entertainment device that I could discard with little loss. A general computing device, which is what I think both smartphones and tablets are, however, are not game consoles. They are not merely entertaining frills. This sort of "landholder" gatekeeper model cannot and will not fly.

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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post #117
post #29

I think we were all afraid of some move like this. Nobody cares about Sony's ebooks. Everybody (me included) cares about Kindle. I can sort of understand where Apple is coming from in this. They provide an ecosystem and apps live within their ecosystem. That being said, I can't see Amazon or any other big player rolling over on a margin of 30%. This is the problem with one fixed margin: it works well for apps and mus…

When debating the openness of platforms, an example oft mentioned is consoles: Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony each own their respective console market, taking a tithe from every transaction occurring on the device. Such an example has frequently been used to justify various of Apple's actions. I don't buy it, though. My xbox is just a toy, in essence. It's an entertainment device that I could discard with little loss.…

      Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony each own their respective 
      console market, taking a tithe from every transaction occurring 
      on the device
That's why I never owned a console and played games on my computer: consoles and the provided game titles are way too expensive for the value provided, not to mention "features" like multiplayer over the network have been in PC games like Doom since the early '90 or even earlier.

The right comparison should really be versus Microsoft and Windows.

As much as I hated Microsoft's iron hand over the years, seeing Apple in action makes Microsoft look like saints interested in interoperability, openness and innovation for the greater good; the fuck? :-)

Re: Apple responds: we want a cut of Amazon, Sony e-book sales

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I can make no possible reading of the App Store guidelines that results in this policy - it's clearly new. I guess if Google can't make the Android App Store attractive to developers, Apple sure can. Surely, this cannot be "official" policy, or if it is, it can't be one that lasts more than a couple of weeks. It's not one of those geek-annoying App restrictions that 99% of the iOS target market wouldn't care about ev…

I've noticed a lot of people mentioning a 30% price increase, but it would actually require a 43% price increase to pay apple a 30% margin.

It's the difference between markup and margin. If you want to pay someone x margin, you have to markup your product by (1/1-x)

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