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France could have gone 100% nuclear, french nuclear reactors can adapt their load to the demand intra-day. It is not a technical decision.
No, nuke is for base-load, it cannot be started/stopped in 10 minutes (in France, as in many countries, hydro dams are used as buffers).
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No, nuke is for base-load, it cannot be started/stopped in 10 minutes (in France, as in many countries, hydro dams are used as buffers).
Parent is talking about load following. Nuclear power plants can absolutely load follow the diurnal predicted demand closely. Most power demand is forecast very accurately with only small amounts of new generation dispatched or load shedded to account for the smaller variances, or when outages happen on some part of the grid.
The huge powergrid it implies isn't very different from the one nuke powerplants already need (given that many cannot sit nearby huge cities), that both wind and solar in such a wide area not producing enough is a rare occurrence.
Transporting energy far away causes losses, but we already do it, and who cares if its TCO is very low (solar and wind are progressing quickly), and its production not dangerous?
Add geothermal, hydroelectric, and biomass, then better global efficiency and energy savings.
Then a pinch of very small complementary units (already available).
... and we are better set for so many more scenarios, at a globally lower cost and without any serious risk.
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> . It has only one element of green, that is low carbon, everything else about it is the absolute worst of all power sources. Pretty blatantly false. Nuclear kills fewer people most, if not all other sources of power, per unit of energy generated. There are significant pollution issues from mining and burning coal and from manufacturing solar panels. Hydro produces ecological disruption on par with non other. Wind p…
There is toxic waste leaking into the Columbia river from nuclear storage in Washington. (only one example) Everything else you described has a solution and can be cleaned up. The nuclear waste is so tragic and horrific and the effects so egregious I can only imagine you are grossly misinformed or a paid troll.
More horrific than the millions killed by air pollution?
This is not to say that nuclear waste isn't a significant problem and one we can do a much better job dealing with, but spreading blatant misinformation does not do anything to help anyone.
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A huge number of 74 year old technologies are available for $0.75 direct from China. The fact the nuclear reactor hasn't been miniaturized to the size of a coin and included in every $15 childrens toy to power lights is in large part because of public perception and government regulation rather than real safety/health concerns - there exist plenty of typical household materials that are more dangerous than the safest…
>The fact the nuclear reactor hasn't been miniaturized to the size of a coin But it has, or at least close to: RTGs[1] weighting a couple dozen kilograms are used in space exploration and in rare cases in cold climates. Their main problem is low power density. Nuclear pacemakers[2] of just a few centimeters across used to be a thing - long lasting and reliable. Also used thermoelectric generators. Replaced by cheaper…
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There is toxic waste leaking into the Columbia river from nuclear storage in Washington. (only one example) Everything else you described has a solution and can be cleaned up. The nuclear waste is so tragic and horrific and the effects so egregious I can only imagine you are grossly misinformed or a paid troll.
> The nuclear waste is so tragic and horrific and the effects so egregious I can only imagine you are grossly misinformed or a paid troll. More horrific than the millions killed by air pollution? This is not to say that nuclear waste isn't a significant problem and one we can do a much better job dealing with, but spreading blatant misinformation does not do anything to help anyone.
Gulf war syndrome is another example of head-in-the-sand behavior of the public regarding nuclear waste caused diseases.
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> The nuclear waste is so tragic and horrific and the effects so egregious I can only imagine you are grossly misinformed or a paid troll. More horrific than the millions killed by air pollution? This is not to say that nuclear waste isn't a significant problem and one we can do a much better job dealing with, but spreading blatant misinformation does not do anything to help anyone.
It's amazing how little news there has been reported about all the nuclear waste disasters in our lifetime, and the near permanent disasters they create. But the news came and went and you can't find it online as real data to argue against the army of "nuclear is the future" mob. Gulf war syndrome is another example of head-in-the-sand behavior of the public regarding nuclear waste caused diseases.
Indeed, while I don't have specific numbers to prove this, I highly suspect that the health risks of non-nuclear toxic waste (by products from chemical plants and manufacturing) outweigh those of toxic nuclear waste and the release of these chemicals are often far less regulated than nuclear waste.
In terms of nuclear waste disasters, the Marshall Islands is the most significant example (that I know of) of a nuclear waste problem that the US needs to step up and address. [0]
[0] https://www.latimes.com/projects/marshall-islands-nuclear-te...
I not saying that nuclear is the future, but it is a important amd relativly safe source that we can use as stop gap to limit our use of more dangerous power sources while we fight global warming and find safer and cleaner sources of energy. We need to consider all of the risks of our power sources and not spread misinformation and fear.
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> this is evidence we can have a program to make specialized small modular reactors fairly economically. It is? I would imagine that the advantages of nuclear power for submarines are so great that militaries would gladly pay 100 times more than would be acceptable for civilian power without blinking. (I do think SMR's are promising for civilian applications, I just don't think that nuclear submarines are a good argu…
Well I mean, one of the new submarines cost something like $2 billion. The reactor can’t be more than a 20% of the total cost. So no it’s not anything like 100 times more. It’s probably practically economically viable for civilian power as is. It just needs necessary modifications and housing for land based use. And permission to use the higher enrichment uranium. The fact you don’t need to refuel it for 20 years mig…
Wikipedia claims the latest generation US attack submarines come in at $2.8 billion each. If the reactor is 20%, and the entire propulsion system 30% (to make a comparison to a power plant), shaft power is 30 MW, we get $28000/kW. For comparison, civilian nuclear power plant capital cost is around $1500-$6000/kW, depending on where it's built, the cost of capital etc.
So yes, not 100 times more expensive than civilian power, but still way too expensive to be economically viable. (And to be pedantic, I didn't say it was 100 times more expensive either, just that the advantage of nuclear propulsion for submarines are so great that navies are prepared to pay whatever it costs (and cost minimization is certainly not such a high priority for sub reactors as for civilian ones))
> And permission to use the higher enrichment uranium.
No. Just no. Look, I'm a huge proponent of civilian nuclear power, but HEU for civilian use flies in the face of decades of non-proliferation work (see e.g. the US RERTR program which has been running since 1978). And for good reasons too; given access to high grade HEU, even a relatively unsophisticated actor (such as a decently funded terrorist group) could make a gun-type nuclear weapon. In contrast, an implosion device using Pu is significantly more challenging, and is probably out of reach for non-state actors.
In fact, there is pressure to direct the US Navy to switch to LEU (that is, less than 20% enrichment), precisely for non-proliferation reasons. For example, French submarines run on 7% enriched fuel, and they refuel every 10 years. So with 20% fuel, US submarines could probably make do with a single mid-life refueling.
See e.g. http://fissilematerials.org/library/rr15.pdf for a report detailing various efforts to get rid of non-weapon uses of HEU worldwide.
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From this https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2968/065005003 > A typical dry-storage cask holds 10 tons of spent fuel and costs about $1 million–$2 million each. (The CASTOR is at the upper end of that range.) This translates to a cost of less than one-twentieth of a penny per kilowatt-hour—about 1 percent of the cost of generating nuclear power. They last for anywhere between 30-100 years and I assume to be be…
But it is of course not only the price of buying a couple of those containers, you also need a facility to store them, you may have to move them around, you probably have to guard them, you have to monitor them, ...
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It's amazing how little news there has been reported about all the nuclear waste disasters in our lifetime, and the near permanent disasters they create. But the news came and went and you can't find it online as real data to argue against the army of "nuclear is the future" mob. Gulf war syndrome is another example of head-in-the-sand behavior of the public regarding nuclear waste caused diseases.
I am opposed to depleted uranium armaments, and while they have been shown to have significant health effects (especially on the populations stuck living in the areas where the amunition was used), it has been ruled out as a likely cause of gulf war syndrome which is linked to the use of non-nuclear toxic chemics. Indeed, while I don't have specific numbers to prove this, I highly suspect that the health risks of non…
I would argue that the effects on US soil, the leaks into the Columbia river from Washington are incomparable to the Marshall Islands. But I feel we may be moving the goal posts in our discussion.
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False dichotomy. Iran can solve their energy needs with a new type of reactor that cannot be used to produce weapons (like the Thorium based reactors being developed). On the top of that, you cannot solve a country’s energy need purely with solar. Finally why picking on Iran? As far as history goes there is only one nation that deployed nuclear weapons in a war situation. This same nation wanted to deploy nuclear wea…
The idea that Thorium reactors cannot make weapons is a persistent myth propagated by an overenthusastic group of non-expert internet thorium proponents. It is part of a wider (and in my opinion misguided) scheme led by Kirk Sorensen to rebrand advanced nuclear as "Thorium". Thorium reactors necessarily breed Uranium 233, which is a phenomenal weapons material. In fact, in 1994, the USA declassified a memo from the c…
Wikipedia:
It is difficult to make a practical nuclear bomb from a thorium reactor's byproducts. According to Alvin Radkowsky, designer of the world's first full-scale atomic electric power plant, "a thorium reactor's plutonium production rate would be less than 2 percent of that of a standard reactor, and the plutonium's isotopic content would make it unsuitable for a nuclear detonation."[13]:11[19] Several uranium-233 bombs have been tested, but the presence of uranium-232 tended to "poison" the uranium-233 in two ways: intense radiation from the uranium-232 made the material difficult to handle, and the uranium-232 led to possible pre-detonation. Separating the uranium-232 from the uranium-233 proved very difficult, although newer laser techniques could facilitate that process.
Summarizing some of the potential benefits, Martin offers his general opinion: "Thorium could provide a clean and effectively limitless source of power while allaying all public concern—weapons proliferation, radioactive pollution, toxic waste, and fuel that is both costly and complicated to process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
We should stop going after the potentially cleanest source of energy because a single US government study claims it is possible to produce weapons out of it. Coincidentally the same entity that owns the most nuclear weapons on Earth. Luckily non of the world leading Thorium researchers that stupid the stop the progress, hopefully this way of energy production becomes a reality in our lifetime.