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Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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Do you think someone is monitoring your landline?

It is absolutely beyond dispute that all communications are being monitored at all times by a variety of government and non-governmental agencies. Being forced to link your identity to these communications is yet another step down towards absolute tyranny (and we are already near the bottom step).

It's not necessarily a step towards tyranny in itself... but when tyranny does come, it will make life very easy for the tyrants.

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Without agreeing or disagreeing with them, we should accept that people have said exactly the same things about the USA, about the Soviet Union, about Russia, about Britain... And on and on. I am not trying to play “whatabout,” but I do ask: Is there anything different about China’s behaviour as a superpower? Or are we just seeing a shift in which superpowers have world influence? At the moment I write this, the fron…

US schools is about certain school districts, not national policies.

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

—Dr. Martin Luther King, Letter from Birmingham Jail.

https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/documents/Letter_Birmingham_Jail...

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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for point of comparison: map of European countries that require ID to buy prepaid sim cards[1], worldwide list[2] [1] https://i.imgur.com/cCFX1wC.jpg [2] https://prepaid-data-sim-card.fandom.com/wiki/Registration_P...

It's been 10+ years since I signed up for a cell phone. What is required today when you get a new account at the major carriers today in the US?

SSN and hard pull at all postpaid carriers, even if you bring your own phone.

Most major[0] stores I've seen check ID at checkout time before activating a prepaid SIM.

[0] Go to any immigrant-dense area, look for a corner store, and you can probably just top up in cash and ignore this.

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Not that there's any moral equivalence, but when I'm in Australia visiting in-laws, I have to provide my passport or similar ID to get my PAYG SIM activated. I just have them swipe it at the airport and my SIM is on in 10 minutes. My wife admits it's a lot easier in the States to get a PAYG SIM; AT&T doesn't care who she is as long as there's money in the account. I'm not sure why Australia does that, but it's really…

Showing a password vs getting your face scans taken and stored in a gigantic face recognition library is a gigantic difference. Once the state has your biometrics stored, you can be ID'ed without you noticing, e. g. as you walk around the city.

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They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

This looks horrible, is it confirmed to be true? Why would HK police release video like that, I imagine they would like to keep the interrogations and tortures under the radar?

The problem with releasing a video is the outrage it provokes.

The benefit of releasing a video is the fear it provokes.

Not saying this is the case here, but obviously if you calculate outrage cannot grow substantially greater than it already is, might as well try provoking some fear.

Of course it might very well be false, this is just my idea as to why someone might release it if real.

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Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, and definitely not nationalistic flamebait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think 'nationalistic flamebait' should be better defined; as time goes on it feels as if any negative comment about any world power is being pigeon-holed into that category, and I think that's incorrect. It's important to talk about the worlds' woes. Shining light onto issues is how they're resolved. This thread's topic is about yet another step to reduce anonymity in China. This trend of full-disclosure with regar…

I think you've picked a bad example to make this argument about. "China is a scary country" is an unsubstantive negative statement about an entire country. It isn't nuanced. It's not qualified in any way. That easily falls under whatever moderation rule we might apply.

People often seem to think they're making nuanced factual statements when they're actually making blanket emotional ones. Those have degrading effects on discussion here when they're about entire nations, entire classes of people, and so on—and they're easy to avoid if one chooses to.

Part of the issue is that HN threads feel like intimate conversation—which is wonderful and something we consciously cultivate. But it's all fully in public and the audience is large and highly international. Because that gap isn't obvious, it leads people to say things which might be inconsequential in a small group, but are just the opposite here.

It only takes a little objectivity and/or empathy to get what it must feel like to come to HN and encounter putdowns of one's country or one's demographic. That's not cool, and fortunately it's not necessary, so commenters here are responsible for clearly disambiguating their comments from that.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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I think comparisons like this ignore something fundamental, which is the values that both countries champion. The USA is a democracy and has by and large championed democracy around the world. China is ruled by a 1974 style dictatorship, a country ruled by a single Party not the rule of law. Comparisons between the US and the CCP conveniently ignore this, yet it is what really matters. Law enforcement will always exi…

> has by and large championed democracy around the world. Have we though? As far as I can tell we've only done that to our enemies. Our "allies" such as Saudi Arabia receive no such "championing". From other people's point of view, democracy might as well be weaponized regime change.

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Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

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I think comparisons like this ignore something fundamental, which is the values that both countries champion. The USA is a democracy and has by and large championed democracy around the world. China is ruled by a 1974 style dictatorship, a country ruled by a single Party not the rule of law. Comparisons between the US and the CCP conveniently ignore this, yet it is what really matters. Law enforcement will always exi…

It took the US over 200 years to fully embrace its values. It’ll take time for opposing groups inside China to change it. Remember that Xi was sent to a re-education camp in his youth and was initially considered to be an average politician. If he was able to rise to power, there’s no telling what changes can happen in the decades to come.

Are you referring to the cultural revolution? That is not a re-education camp. Although you were out in the middle of nowhere for an extended period, you could freely talk with others (many groups still meet up to today, and/or married somebody there). That was more like an exile not a prison with forced agenda.

Re: Chinese telecoms must use "AI and other technical means" to identify phone users

#130

They are already monitoring the chat apps. If you say unseemly things, expect this: https://twitter.com/intypython/status/1200466904734785536?s=... Edit: changed link to original source

My wife has had a few messages "disappear" from WeChat (the Chinese Facebook), and that were not removed by group admins. It seems that at the low end, at least, they're content do just censor, and not take action against the speaker.

Might also depends on the region. Richer regions like Shanghai might have softer rules same as for VPNs.
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