Sadly, they just have a stock response to everyone emailing which is grating.
PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
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Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#132This kind of seems like a national security concern, which the US government would want to block the acquisition. Given it's US company that has access to a ton on US traffic it's certainly reasonable that a state actor would want all that data.
I'm not sure there's such a thing as a former Israeli spy. That being so, this may be a Mossad operation, in which case the US is powerless to do anything about it.
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#133This article and articles like this miscast Kape in an incorrect light. To be clear, in the past the company was known as CrossRider and provided a developer SDK that could be used to integrate with browsers. Unfortunately, CrossRider didn't do enough to prevent malware (like platforms these days and their fake news) and the platform was used by some bad people for bad purposes. When the new management team of CrossR…
You were one of the most, if not the most successful VPN provider for years. Did you really need more resources? For what?
The main benefit of PIA is the expectation for extra privacy. No matter how you look at it, selling to Kape is a strong signal that's not a priority. Similar, for hiring Karpeles to do your security (like he hasnt lost us enough already).
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trust and ethics are important. A company that is identified as using questionable ethics in business, for an extended period, is not automatically "reset to neutral" by airdropping in a new management team and a rebrand. Honestly? That sounds more like a move to bury the bad news, which has a long and effective history, just as the day a story goes public does - The Friday News Dump, Thanksgiving News Dump, etc. So,…
I honestly want to agree with HN on this, but then Im reminded of the constant support for Apple on here, despite the fact that they have violated user trust on numerous occasions, while PIA has not. So I did some checking: * Teddy Sagi is a entrepreneur. To say that he is an ex spy is a gross misstatement. Yes, he worked as a developer in Israeli SIGINT program - so do a lot of developers who work for any number of…
But is there more reason to think that their data isn't safe with PIA now than before the merger? Definitely.
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#135I've been trying to cancel/shorten my year subscription since this came out. This + hiring Mark Karpeles as CTO are a solid guarantee that my data isn't safe. Sadly, they just have a stock response to everyone emailing which is grating.
> Thank you for contacting PIA Customer Support.
> I would like to start off by stating that there are no changes to the service, policies or principles you have always loved, this includes our very strict no-logging policy.
> The decision to join forces with Kape Technologies was not one that was taken lightly, and it was a decision that came on the back of extensive dialogue and due diligence by both the parties in the transaction, and I’d like to touch on some of that.
> Private Internet Access always has, and always will, put privacy first. Privacy is a fundamental human right as enshrined in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, and one that our entire business has been built around. Our commitment to the privacy of our users, and the global population at large, is one thing we would never compromise on. Privacy is bigger than you and I, privacy is bigger than PIA and Kape. Privacy is an absolute necessity to protect and safeguard life for a substantial proportion of the world population.
> At Private Internet Access, we want to continue fighting for privacy, against censorship and oppression and for human rights in general. We want to protect the next three billion people connected to the internet. We want to see world economies improve in line with people receiving unfettered access to information. We want to contribute to ensuring that people can engage, become empowered and educate those in their communities for a better global society for all. We believe in the power of people and we have hope, hope for the future. A global future in which we all have the same access, the same rights and the same opportunities.
> And, in partnering with Kape Technologies, we believe that we will be better equipped to continue fighting for the digital liberties of today and tomorrow. Through lengthy conversation and mutual commitment, Kape Technologies and Private Internet Access have agreed to codify some guiding principles going forward.
> These guiding principles can be found at http://investors.kape.com/about-us and I also include an excerpt here:
> 1. Zero Secrecy – openness as a guiding force – we believe that an organization cannot ensure privacy for others without being open and transparent itself.
> 2. Zero Reliance – we remove the need for you to trust anyone with your personal data by ensuring no one has it, including ourselves.
> 3. Zero Data – sanctity of personal data – we believe each individual owns his own data therefore we will never store or attempt to sell what does not belong to us.
> 4. 100% Customer first – we believe that all decisions should be made with the end user in mind, while maintaining profit as well as building a sustainable balance between social, environmental and economic profit.
> 5. Zero Theater – what you see is what you get, we tell it as it is and deliver on what we promise to achieve.
> 6. Zero Tier – net neutrality – we believe that all connections and data should be treated equally and without manipulation.
> 7. 100% Honesty – we will say it as we see it, straightforward and direct.
> 8. Zero Sidelining – life purpose – this is not a passing phase, this is our mission and we are determined to stick to it and overcome any obstacles which comes our way.
> Going forward, Private Internet Access and Kape Technologies will be bound by these eight guiding principles in absolutely everything that we do. We are not selling out, we have not come to a crossroads and decided to take an entirely different direction. We are growing. We are becoming stronger, and together we will continue fighting for a just world for you and I, and for those who come after us.
> What we will do is use this opportunity to further our work to develop and promote better privacy and security tools, and further our commitment to and involvement in human rights and digital liberties as we continue to empower each other and those around us.
> Our founder, Andrew Lee, has written a blog post explaining his decision to sell the company and how it impacts our mission going forward: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/11/bellum-om...
> Give us the time to prove to you that we remain as serious and committed to the cause now as we were before, and join us as we break down barriers and unite across borders. We have your back today as we have for every day since our inception and are confident that We will not let you down!!
I'd also like to point out that in PIA's TOS they have no obligation to attempt to tell users of changes to the TOS or privacy. They expect us to watch for changes.
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#136Disappointed. I've been with PIA for a few years now and I always recommended them and loved their support. I just cancelled my annual subscription which was due to expire in 100 days. Vote with your wallet. Any recommendations for a new VPN provider?
Me too. I cancelled my subscription about a week ago when I first heard of it (and I explained why on their cancellation form). I'm looking at Mullvad and NordVPN. I know Nord had a MITM attack on a Finnish datacenter a few months ago and didn't immediately notify affected users. I'm having trouble understanding what it says about Nord's culture and likely behavior in the future. On a technical level, it's pretty bad…
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for taking time to explain your position. I can appreciate the need for resources and why you think this deal is the right thing to do for your company. I've trusted you company enough to use it for years and buy a multi-year subscription. Unfortunately, given the track record of Kape, I can't trust the bundle of Kape+PIA the way I trusted PIA alone. Maybe in the following years this trust will be accumulat…
If you think a platform is responsible for what their developers do with it, then I understand. However, Kape was never directly involved in adware other than providing SDKs that let developers create positive and negative things. To say Kape was involved in adware would be akin to saying the Wright Bros killed millions of people - because they made planes which people used to kill people (which is simply untrue). Ev…
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#138This article and articles like this miscast Kape in an incorrect light. To be clear, in the past the company was known as CrossRider and provided a developer SDK that could be used to integrate with browsers. Unfortunately, CrossRider didn't do enough to prevent malware (like platforms these days and their fake news) and the platform was used by some bad people for bad purposes. When the new management team of CrossR…
And I do want to "trust" (as much as I ever do) PIA. It's one of the few that's actually been tested by criminal investigation of a user. And it did, in fact, retain no logs.
I've also been impressed by London Trust Media projects. And I appreciate that increased resources are a good thing.
So anyway, I do wish y'all well.
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
This company has no association with the Israeli intelligence whatsoever. Many, many of the Israelis involved in the technology world have served in the IDF Intelligence Corps (being that Israel has mandatory conscription and the intel corps select the best and brightest).
And you know that how?
Virtually any technology company either founded or operating in Israel has former Israeli intelligence people in its ranks. It's true for Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook and others.
Re: PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, nothing has changed yet. That's how it goes with acquisitions. But people (including myself) are more concerned about the future. At some point in the future there will pressure from within Kape to increase revenues. And at that point I don't want my browsing data to be sold to advertisers and marketing agencies.
The merger agreement includes a written guarantee to never log. I don't think there is any other VPN that has that, and I _know_ that many other VPNs will not sign that with us.