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Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Post by azernik »

humanrebar wrote: post #167
azernik wrote: post #73

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I have heard a China expert claim that this is the long-term goal of the Chinese Communist Party - a rich, authoritarian state with economic and (non-political) personal freedoms.

...for the Han Chinese? Seems like they could start with some more personal freedoms for the Uighurs fairly quickly if the goal was that magnanimous.

They're not giving Han Chinese all that much personal freedom now either, because in addition to this long-term goal, they're also deeply prejudiced against minorities, and care more about staying in power than about humane and smart public policy.

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Post by JimDabell »

mendelmaleh wrote: post #110
Barrin92 wrote: post #83

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It's actually perfectly reasonable to subject American companies to the laws of nations they operate in unless you're suggesting they ought to act in imperial fashion and ignore the law of sovereign nations. It goes without saying that the same is, of course, true for foreign companies in the US.

How do you define 'operating in' for a web service? I would suggest they are operating on the internet, out of the US, therefore bound only to US law. Having the service accessible worldwide shouldn't make you subject to everyone's laws.

Facebook have a large office in Singapore where they employ many people. There is no question they are operating there.

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Post by buboard »

saiya-jin wrote: post #156
irjustin wrote: post #99

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As an US expat living in SG, I would say yes. Singapore is the first place where I actually began to question whether democracy was the absolute way. Democracy was how I was raised. Overall, I still believe it is the way long term, but what can you do when you have a single, unified government that cares for its people is simply amazing. Safest in the world, hands down. This can be felt in every day life. I hold tabl…

Have you ever been to Switzerland? What you describe sounds like Suisse, but without all those dark aspects you mention. Open and just society that does treat people fairly. Super low criminality (compared to most world). Kids playing outside etc. Maybe for US persons this seems like a paradise, but its not a unique place. I know where I want to raise my kids. It sure as hell ain't some artificial bubble like Singapo…

All cities are artificial

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Post by buboard »

bigpumpkin wrote: post #108
RavlaAlvar wrote: post #92

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Genuinely asking. Do most of the population believe Singapore’s authoritarian government would stay benevolent??

Singapore's biggest challenge isn't whether its political system is "Democratic" or "Authoritarian", because such dichotomies are not terribly revealing about the peculiar situation Singapore is in geopolitically. The biggest challenge, rather, is whether it can continue to thrive in a rules based, international global trade regime.

Its a small place so it can adapt fast. In fact, many such miracle places are small, thus government is not some distant entity. If anything it is the big countries that are struggling to adapt to globalisation

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Post by buboard »

qeng-ho wrote: post #206
onetimemanytime wrote: post #139

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>> I'm Singaporean, and completely not surprised to see this appear on HN....Civilisation is the surrender of varying degrees of civil liberty for security and safety ...We're just debating the word "varying" and might not agree with your conclusion.

To quote what I replied to another user: If you disagree, try telling the police that they have no right to infringe on your personal freedom when they stop you for drink-driving. Or theft. Or even jay-walking. To be in a society, any kind of society, involves giving up personal freedoms in exchange for something, usually safety or stability. We just have a different idea of what's an acceptable loss of personal free…

Ideally we d be able to switch citizenships, and let the best government win us. Unfortunately its not possible, though i would like the idea of an airbnb for citizenships

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Post by buboard »

diveanon wrote: post #53

Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

Are they being forcefully held in the country?

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Post by buboard »

paulmooreparks wrote: post #97
robomartin wrote: post #47

I have a lateral question about Singapore. Everything I have read about the country says that it is one of the best in the world for business and, in particular, startups. Yet some of the commentary here leads me to believe there's a dark side to the reality of this nation. Anyone with first hand knowledge care to comment on this? I am puzzled because it so happens we might have to do some business in Singapore and a…

I've been living and working in Singapore for two years now, coming from the United States. I'm a libertarian who finds politics and economics in the US to be horribly broken, and while in principle I don't agree with authoritarianism or planned economies, I'm also of the mind that one cannot apply a single concept of government to every culture. That's a colonial mindset. America's liberal tradition came from many,…

> and it is a great place to do business

What are the main pros?

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Post by torstenvl »

selestify wrote: post #25
roenxi wrote: post #15

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And just spelling it out because "people should be allowed to tell lies" is terrible marketing: There is no way to deduce the truth using the tools in the Government's toolbox or in public discourse. The more questions systems like the courts have to answer the more mistakes they will make; they aren't for discerning the truth instead only checking that standards of evidence have been met. There are a bunch of things…

What are false things that have strong evidence behind them?

Pretty much every conclusion drawn from all studies where P https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20895433

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Post by goatsi »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #208
squiggleblaz wrote: post #198

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Separatism shouldn't be a crime, and the government crackdown is completely out of proportion with the terrorism that has occurred.

I agree on both counts, but the reality is that in China, politically agitating for separatism is going to get you in very serious trouble. I find that in Western reporting, the actual issues involved in Xinjiang are not discussed at all. Instead, it's presented as if the Chinese government had a problem with Muslims. The entire issue of separatism is rarely mentioned, nor is the fact that the largest Muslim group in…

You might be interested to know that the Chinese government is also cracking down on the Hui: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco...

"All Hui-run nursery schools, child care centers and religious schools were forcibly closed in Ningxia and across Yunnan and Henan provinces, which are also home to a large number of Hui Muslims."

"Imams in Henan and Ningxia must now attend monthly training sessions that can last for days. There, imams told NPR, they are taught Communist ideology and state ethnic policy and discuss Xi Jinping's speeches. Imams must then pass an exam testing their ideological knowledge in order to renew their license each year, mirroring how the government issues licenses to imams in the Xinjiang region."

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

goatsi wrote: post #239
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on both counts, but the reality is that in China, politically agitating for separatism is going to get you in very serious trouble. I find that in Western reporting, the actual issues involved in Xinjiang are not discussed at all. Instead, it's presented as if the Chinese government had a problem with Muslims. The entire issue of separatism is rarely mentioned, nor is the fact that the largest Muslim group in…

You might be interested to know that the Chinese government is also cracking down on the Hui: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco... "All Hui-run nursery schools, child care centers and religious schools were forcibly closed in Ningxia and across Yunnan and Henan provinces, which are also home to a large number of Hui Muslims." "Imams in Henan and Ningxia must now attend monthly training sess…

That sounds roughly like how the Catholic Church is treated in China.
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