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Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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> Should people be allowed to say and write lies in a "real" democracy? Yes. In democracy, the public are the arbiters of truth. Particularly political truth. Free speech doesn’t mean consequence-free speech. Cooling-down periods, mandatory preservation and disclosure requirements, et cetera are both prudent and commonplace. Court-supervised anti-fraud statute, which punishes for the harm done by the lie, not the spe…

Isn't there a litany of examples where the government has the power to decide and enforce truthfulness? Stuff like health claims and protected designation of origin.

The only institution in a democratic society in general that acts to determine truth is the court system. While a countless number of bureaucrats may make routine judgements about the truth, any disputes over that tend to head to a court.

In court trials, the smallest details of truth are liable to be deliberated and argued over extensively, often producing outcomes that satisfy no interested parties.

It’s easy to have an opinion about what is an “outright lie”, it’s more or less impossible to prove it, and it is literally Orwellian to establish an authority to preside over it.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

Singapore strikes me as another outcome of a China-like single-party state. It's somewhat authoritarian, somewhat free. It's big on national unity, but unlike China, fully acknowledges the distinct cultures there. It's a very unique place.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

It's interesting to see people in the west often lauding Singapore for that and vilifying China if they do the same.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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post #51

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one does not simply sue a military dictatorship

I'm not sure Singapore's government falls under a military dictatorship by any means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore

When the dictatorship controls the military you can pretty safely say they're a military dictatorship.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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post #63

Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

It's interesting to see people in the west often lauding Singapore for that and vilifying China if they do the same.

Most likely because Singapore is not also putting huge amount of people in detention camps and harvesting their organs. Maybe if they had the scale to do so they would, but that's not really the question when it comes to public opinion.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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post #51

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one does not simply sue a military dictatorship

I'm not sure Singapore's government falls under a military dictatorship by any means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore

It's a unitary state.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Yes. Follow up question: should a real democracy have a Ministry of Truth?

Really? Allowed as in without punishment? Is that the world you want to live in?

Sure. It's the world Americans already live in, except for certain specifically defined types of lies (e.g. fraud, perjury, libel of non-public figures, etc).

Of interest: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/does-th...

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Given Facebook policy, they'll probably underweight the post in their algorithm but not take any step to remove it or put a "fake news" disclaimer on it. If they don't even correct fake news in the US, I doubt they care about fake news about Singapore.
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