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Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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It also is extremely hard to fix a smart TV once it gets infected with a virus. Just don't buy smart TVs. Buy a dumb TV, attach a RaspberryPi or an Intel NUC, install Kodi and enjoy.

Would love to. Who is currently making these dumb TVs? I’m in the market and can’t find anything.

I got mine at Costco, but suspect my price range must be way lower than all these hacker news users.

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I wonder if one day they’ll connect to other TVs that are online to get around the WiFi.

Or have a GPS and realize that it’s been 12 months since their last mandatory update and lock you out.

Why would you need a GPS for that?

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In my opinion you should not use ANY of the smart features of a "smart" TV. Don't give it your wifi key and don't put it on your LAN. I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. I also have a fairly high degree of confidence that the xbox one and PS4 software will remain up to date with security patches, and address critical issues quickly. I have no confidence for T…

> I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. It should be noted Sony's TVs are different than their game consoles in what they collect and do. They run a relatively clean version of Android TV except for "Samba TV", which is yet another piece of show-recognizing (known as ACR) analytics. However, you can apparently decline its privacy policy on initial setup and eve…

Many cars are similar nowadays too, except with cell phone service. It's very aggravating. Even if you don't pay for the 'safety' features and never turn it on. It used to be only on star but now even toyotas have it.

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Has anyone successfully hacked any of these TVs to disable the smart features? I would pay some money for this kind of firmware patch on a future purchase. It seems crazy that the software is so terrible and yet nobody has found a way to disable it.

It would be quite nice if there were a single model out there that could be easily hacked and replaced with a speedy interface that does two things, switches HDMI inputs fast and volume control. (And turns off motion blur obviously.) Then maybe you could start throwing other stuff on there.

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When i got my samsung smart tv 4 years ago i actually read the EULA and was so disgusted i refused to agree. It lives its life as a computer monitor, and a buggy one at that. I doubt there is a way to update the firmware without agreeing. Moral of the story: dont buy smart TVs.

If you want a TV, is there any alternative? We got a new TV last year and I (joe shmoe average user) didn't see any that weren't smart.

There are some still out there (in Australia - YMMV). I just bought this on Wednesday: http://www.bauhn.com.au/product-listing/58-4k-ultra-hd-tv-AT...

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You are discussing here how to isolate the TV into a separate firewalled network, but for an average consumer this is too difficult. What an average consumer wants is to watch Youtube and Netflix and not bother about settings. If I was a TV manufacturer I would install a video camera and microphone and record everything and people would still buy my TVs.

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Sadly, this will only push TV manufacturers harder to implement built-in always-on 5G connectivity that completely bypasses the end user.

That sounds amazing, a free 5g connection with every tv! cellular connection is still prohibitively expensive in many parts of the world.

Yes, but this connection will be restricted to connect only to Google's cloud.

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Or have a GPS and realize that it’s been 12 months since their last mandatory update and lock you out.

Why would you need a GPS for that?

GPS provides high quality RTC signals. So the TV could update its time with high accuracy via GPS and countdown a timer.

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My hypothesis is that dumb TVs don’t need to be more expensive, and that the savings of not needing a beefy SoC and more DRAM and Flash offsets what would otherwise be coming in from advertising.

Yeah I also don’t know why that’s some sort of established truth but it’s been going around for years now. It especially took off a couple of years back when a manufacturer exec (Bravia? Can’t find link now) said as much. I assume the info they can sell must be worth quite a lot of money if they can throw $50 or $100 worth of stuff in it “for free”, where many of the TVs probably never even get an internet connection…

> It especially took off a couple of years back when a manufacturer exec (Bravia? Can’t find link now) said as much

The Visio CTO has been open about it

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/7/18172397/airplay-2-homekit...

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Not just tvs. All appliances are getting "smart". Refrigerators, washers, etc are or will track you too. You'll have the convenience of connecting to your fridge to see what you need to buy at the supermarket. Eventually, the fridge will just send you notifications of things you need to buy. Very convenient, but the fridge manufacturer will also know what you eat, when you shop, where you shop and everything you do in your kitchen. I suspect sooner or later, there will be period of consolidation amongst the appliance companies so that they will be able to see everything you do in your house.
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