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Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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Just unplug it from the network. That should get rid of most of it. I have an LG smart TV that has never seen the network. I get no ads, no popups, no features, no EULA, nothing. It behaves like a dumb TV. It was the LG 65UH series from Costco.

I wonder if one day they’ll connect to other TVs that are online to get around the WiFi.

Or have a GPS and realize that it’s been 12 months since their last mandatory update and lock you out.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

#72
post #19

Run a Pi-Hole, use it as the DNS server for your "Smart" TV. Too lazy? Shameless self promotion: https://windscribe.com/features/robert

Wait wait wait. Windscribe, which looks like a heckuva VPN, where does it run? Because we are talking about filtering or blocking the data flow between the TV and the local router, i.e. the connection between the TV and my Comcast router. How does Windscribe get involved in that stream?

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #56

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I assume not long. And there’s no good way to stop that.

And there’s no good way to stop that. As long as they rely on your own network for their external connectivity, you can always firewall them (at the expense of any connected features you do want to use, perhaps, but then I suspect most of us would agree that 99% of those are junk in most smart TVs anyway and be OK with that limitation). The problem comes when they can form their own connections, but in that case they…

But that breaks the streaming functionality.

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post #40

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I recently bought an LG OLED as well. I never connected it to my network and never will. It was a dark pattern during setup. The options were to connect via LAN or WIFI, and only by scrolling into "nothing" did a skip option appear. This ImO is the only option and even then I bet it's trying to exhilarate data by like trying to connect to a phone or high frequency audio or something.

How do you install firmware updates??

I bought a dumb tv in 2013 that I still use just fine without any firmware updates. It's a screen, it needs no updates.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just unplug it from the network. That should get rid of most of it. I have an LG smart TV that has never seen the network. I get no ads, no popups, no features, no EULA, nothing. It behaves like a dumb TV. It was the LG 65UH series from Costco.

I wonder if one day they’ll connect to other TVs that are online to get around the WiFi.

They'll ship with a sim card and connect to mobile.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #62
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently bought an LG OLED as well. I never connected it to my network and never will. It was a dark pattern during setup. The options were to connect via LAN or WIFI, and only by scrolling into "nothing" did a skip option appear. This ImO is the only option and even then I bet it's trying to exhilarate data by like trying to connect to a phone or high frequency audio or something.

How do you install firmware updates??

If it's not on the network why would you need firmware updates? (serious question)

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #75

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I wonder if one day they’ll connect to other TVs that are online to get around the WiFi.

They'll ship with a sim card and connect to mobile.

This is one of the reasons I’m not excited about 5g.

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post #73

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And there’s no good way to stop that. As long as they rely on your own network for their external connectivity, you can always firewall them (at the expense of any connected features you do want to use, perhaps, but then I suspect most of us would agree that 99% of those are junk in most smart TVs anyway and be OK with that limitation). The problem comes when they can form their own connections, but in that case they…

But that breaks the streaming functionality.

Just stream using a separate box connected over HDMI.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

#79
post #69

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Dumb TV's are more expensive so you wouldn't be able to find enough people willing to pay that premium I think. What would be great and much easier technically would be an (open, non-google) Chromecast clone that you can plug into a smart TV and then just not give the smart TV an internet connection.

My hypothesis is that dumb TVs don’t need to be more expensive, and that the savings of not needing a beefy SoC and more DRAM and Flash offsets what would otherwise be coming in from advertising.

Yeah I also don’t know why that’s some sort of established truth but it’s been going around for years now. It especially took off a couple of years back when a manufacturer exec (Bravia? Can’t find link now) said as much. I assume the info they can sell must be worth quite a lot of money if they can throw $50 or $100 worth of stuff in it “for free”, where many of the TVs probably never even get an internet connection!

That leads me to another guess: manufacturers can’t have people not connect their TVs. So they’ll start offering rebates that you only get if you plug your tv to the internet.

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