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Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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The U.S. is not blameless in supporting money laundering through real estate: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/how-kle...

How is that relevant here and not just meaningless whataboutism?

The point is to say that there are things Americans can do to help this situation. Holding politicians accountable to corruption going on in our backyard can help. Being aware that corruption in the U.S. has effects all around the world is all...

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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US Intelligence as well as several independent cyber security firms concluded the DNC e-mails were leaked after an attack by Guccifer 2.0. This was followed up by several indictments issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller which would have to be tried in a federal courtroom were they ever to occur. That seems to be a fair bit of evidence. Is everything a conspiracy now? It’s quite clear Russia meddled in the 2016 el…

US intelligence never examined the physical server, the cyber security firm was a client of the DNC, intel community simply accepted the findings without verification.

Do you have a source? Here’s just one my sources[1]. According to most of stuff I’ve read the Dutch hacked Cozy Bear and were able to see they were hacking the DNC and State Department in real time.

Much better Dutch article here[2]. It even mentions Muller.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch...

[2] https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-...

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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But with this mentality corruption will just go unchallenged. Its a huge risk, but the rewards for removing such a big chunk of corruption is huge. So I guess you're right, it is more of a mindset thing.

It's no different than a peasant (or even a lesser lord) challenging a king in the feudal era. You spoke out against the king, you lost your head. Billionaires are our kings. Jeff Bezos' wealth is 3 times the GDP of North Kora, which has a standing army of over a million people. They are more wealthy than a number of independent states. Do you think he couldn't fund and equip 100,000 mercenaries if his monopoly were…

Watching Putin force oligarchs to hand over billions in 2015-2016 and the rush to get money out of Russia makes me think you are over stating this more than a little.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Uncover the theft of hundreds of thousands will get you a bonus. Uncover the theft of millions will get you a big promotion. Uncover the theft of billions by corrupt state actors and international crime syndicates is only ever going to get you dead. Perhaps I have a different mindset, but if I had been looking into this, I think I would have stopped digging as soon as I got a hint of how deep this rabbit hole actuall…

This is why humanity invented the Hero. We recognize that irrational selflessness can be extremely beneficial for society. The more heroes we have, the less corrupt the system, the stakes of corruption would be lower and the price of heroism should decrease, thus society at large and these selfless heros will probably benefit together.

Heroes are characterized by extreme competence at something. Some people dedicate that to doing good because they believe it to be valuable for it's own sake.

Selflessness just gets you walked over. Being good is both an individual positive for the hero and a collective gain for the people.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conversely, Seth Rich hasn't been shown to be involved in anything that might motivate someone to have him killed. The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Surely it's good to be skeptical, but being…

Found murdered with gunshot wound to the back. Police claimed it was robbery yet his wallet, cellphone, creditcards, and laptop weren't taken. > The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Well, that and basic commonsense. If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thro…

> If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it?

can't explain something, picks favorite conspiracy theory to explain it. makes sense.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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How is that relevant here and not just meaningless whataboutism?

Is there a name for the phenomenon (eg. Poe's Law) where people leave comments on random world politics topics that basically consist of "but America..."? You can count on it on every single negative geopolitical story on most sites. Sad to see it on HN.

Well, Nathan Poe was just the guy on the Internet who noted the "law"

So let's name it after you, and call it .. Chance's Law...?

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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US Intelligence as well as several independent cyber security firms concluded the DNC e-mails were leaked after an attack by Guccifer 2.0. This was followed up by several indictments issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller which would have to be tried in a federal courtroom were they ever to occur. That seems to be a fair bit of evidence. Is everything a conspiracy now? It’s quite clear Russia meddled in the 2016 el…

US intelligence never examined the physical server, the cyber security firm was a client of the DNC, intel community simply accepted the findings without verification.

> But on one occasion (...) Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company. (...) Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-gucc...

seems like intel community did plenty of their own investigations into this.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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I like paying taxes. I get "free" healthcare and education and so many other things here in Sweden that wouldn't be possible without taxes. Simply not having to ever think about the financials of those things is worth a good 5% taxes if you ask me. I wouldn't want to pay any less in taxes if it meant taking any of that away, but I would happily pitch in more if each additional krona would do as much or more than the…

Yeah that's all nice and shiny, but imagine if those taxes were simply stolen by corrupt government. Your mom would die from simple appendectomy infection because hospitals don't have enough money to do things properly. Plus if you got fired, you would have next to 0 support from the state, and either you have some savings you just eat through or your kids starve. And on top of that, any simple bureaucracy you want t…

> imagine if those taxes were simply stolen by corrupt government

of course effective taxation systems always have implicit requirement of no or low corruption. what's the point of imagining the thing you're saying?

imagine a giant asteroid hit your home - how is anything you're doing in your life relevant?

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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I like paying taxes. I get "free" healthcare and education and so many other things here in Sweden that wouldn't be possible without taxes. Simply not having to ever think about the financials of those things is worth a good 5% taxes if you ask me. I wouldn't want to pay any less in taxes if it meant taking any of that away, but I would happily pitch in more if each additional krona would do as much or more than the…

[ NOTE: It takes hours and days to communicate here because people do not like my opinions -- so "Hacker News" (lol) throttles me so I cannot really respond to you or anyone in reasonable time. ] Lol. No you do not like paying taxes; that's your Stockholm syndrome or sunk cost fallacy (variant of it) talking. It's not free; it's crazy expensive and goes to a lot of crazy and/or evil b.s. you have no interest in or co…

Where did migrate to?

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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This is why humanity invented the Hero. We recognize that irrational selflessness can be extremely beneficial for society. The more heroes we have, the less corrupt the system, the stakes of corruption would be lower and the price of heroism should decrease, thus society at large and these selfless heros will probably benefit together.

So we could call this guy stupid, or hail him as a hero. In which society would you like you and your children to live in, the one where heroes are acknowledged or the one they are dismissed as dumb and irrational? Mind you, calling someone a hero cost you next to nothing in utility so I think the choice is a no brainier.

>In which society would you like you and your children to live in, the one where heroes are acknowledged or the one they are dismissed as dumb and irrational?

I would like to live in the former, but you have to face reality: we do not live in such a society, we live in one where heroes like him will only be murdered, and no one will really care as it'll be forgotten quickly.

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