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Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Is anyone able to explain how they have jumped from this "Andrei Kozlov was gunned down in 2006, weeks after trying to shutter the world’s biggest money-laundering scam" to this "—one reportedly used by Putin’s family and the FSB." ?

https://www.occrp.org/en/laundromat/the-russian-laundromat-e...

Your source is jumping big between the facts too

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.occrp.org/en/laundromat/the-russian-laundromat-e...

Your source is jumping big between the facts too

The last paragraph:

> FSB representatives served on the board of at least one of banks that wired billions out of Russia as did Igor Putin, Putin’s cousin. He was a manager and executive board member in the Russian Land Bank. This bank wired more than $9.7 billion to Moldindconbank in Moldova, most of which went on to Trasta Komercbanka and from there on to the world.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Uncover the theft of hundreds of thousands will get you a bonus. Uncover the theft of millions will get you a big promotion. Uncover the theft of billions by corrupt state actors and international crime syndicates is only ever going to get you dead. Perhaps I have a different mindset, but if I had been looking into this, I think I would have stopped digging as soon as I got a hint of how deep this rabbit hole actuall…

But with this mentality corruption will just go unchallenged. Its a huge risk, but the rewards for removing such a big chunk of corruption is huge. So I guess you're right, it is more of a mindset thing.

It's no different than a peasant (or even a lesser lord) challenging a king in the feudal era. You spoke out against the king, you lost your head.

Billionaires are our kings. Jeff Bezos' wealth is 3 times the GDP of North Kora, which has a standing army of over a million people. They are more wealthy than a number of independent states. Do you think he couldn't fund and equip 100,000 mercenaries if his monopoly were threatened? When a peasant threatens his power, he doesn't even need to do that: a single assassin is enough. Replace Bezos (who I doubt would order a hit but you never know) with a Russian oligarch (who absolutely would order a hit) and you have your explanation.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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All tax money in Russia and elsewhere is stolen and therefore dirty and corrupt to begin with anyway. Try not paying taxes and you'll get jailed -- and if you refuse this you'll get gunned down. I think doing anything you can to avoid paying taxes without getting yourself into trouble is a moral obligation.

I like paying taxes. I get "free" healthcare and education and so many other things here in Sweden that wouldn't be possible without taxes. Simply not having to ever think about the financials of those things is worth a good 5% taxes if you ask me. I wouldn't want to pay any less in taxes if it meant taking any of that away, but I would happily pitch in more if each additional krona would do as much or more than the…

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Lol. No you do not like paying taxes; that's your Stockholm syndrome or sunk cost fallacy (variant of it) talking. It's not free; it's crazy expensive and goes to a lot of crazy and/or evil b.s. you have no interest in or control over.

I was born in Norway, but left the country because of high taxes and govt imposed fees and "regulations". I now only pay simple 15% fixed no matter how much I earn (corp + dividend setup) and have private health insurance++. This enabled me to start a family and buy a house after years of struggle, confusion (forskuddsskatt?? wtf.) and trouble (security and fire course needed to start a simple IT freelance business?? wtf.) back home. My baby girl was born at a private hospital here; very reasonable and good.

After 2.5 - 3 years I'm making 6 figures now and growing fast. Back in Norway I was miserable, passive and would still have been miserable if I thought "taxes are good for me". I'm not alone with this: https://www.tv2.no/v/1517820/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EF39ZP-7Fo ..this wonderful, resourceful woman left for Bali after decades of harassment from the govt with their "nice" services. No thanks; I don't need any of it.

Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)

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Your source is jumping big between the facts too

The last paragraph: > FSB representatives served on the board of at least one of banks that wired billions out of Russia as did Igor Putin, Putin’s cousin. He was a manager and executive board member in the Russian Land Bank. This bank wired more than $9.7 billion to Moldindconbank in Moldova, most of which went on to Trasta Komercbanka and from there on to the world.

So, how this is considered to be corruption if money are moved to somewhere? Isn't it what every government is doing, including various US funds helping all kinds of crooks abroad?

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But with this mentality corruption will just go unchallenged. Its a huge risk, but the rewards for removing such a big chunk of corruption is huge. So I guess you're right, it is more of a mindset thing.

> reward This person is dead. We can thus deduce the reward is death. While that is a big reward, it's not one most people want.

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law. - The Categorical imperative (Kant).

Basically, it's the next level of "do unto others". To determine whether your action is right or wrong, ask yourself what would happen to society if every person performed that action as a matter of habit.

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> reward This person is dead. We can thus deduce the reward is death. While that is a big reward, it's not one most people want.

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law. - The Categorical imperative (Kant). Basically, it's the next level of "do unto others". To determine whether your action is right or wrong, ask yourself what would happen to society if every person performed that action as a matter of habit.

When I was 18, I'm sure I would have agreed with you. After some more time living among other people, I think I can say I've moved past that. If you have not, all the more power to you!

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Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conversely, Seth Rich hasn't been shown to be involved in anything that might motivate someone to have him killed. The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Surely it's good to be skeptical, but being…

Found murdered with gunshot wound to the back. Police claimed it was robbery yet his wallet, cellphone, creditcards, and laptop weren't taken. > The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Well, that and basic commonsense. If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thro…

US Intelligence as well as several independent cyber security firms concluded the DNC e-mails were leaked after an attack by Guccifer 2.0. This was followed up by several indictments issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller which would have to be tried in a federal courtroom were they ever to occur.

That seems to be a fair bit of evidence. Is everything a conspiracy now?

It’s quite clear Russia meddled in the 2016 elections, and they’ll probably do it again in 2020 (if they didn’t already do it again in 2018).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last paragraph: > FSB representatives served on the board of at least one of banks that wired billions out of Russia as did Igor Putin, Putin’s cousin. He was a manager and executive board member in the Russian Land Bank. This bank wired more than $9.7 billion to Moldindconbank in Moldova, most of which went on to Trasta Komercbanka and from there on to the world.

So, how this is considered to be corruption if money are moved to somewhere? Isn't it what every government is doing, including various US funds helping all kinds of crooks abroad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

> Money laundering is the illegal process of concealing the origins of money obtained illegally by passing it through a complex sequence of banking transfers or commercial transactions. The overall scheme of this process returns the money to the launderer in an obscure and indirect way.

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So, how this is considered to be corruption if money are moved to somewhere? Isn't it what every government is doing, including various US funds helping all kinds of crooks abroad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering > Money laundering is the illegal process of concealing the origins of money obtained illegally by passing it through a complex sequence of banking transfers or commercial transactions. The overall scheme of this process returns the money to the launderer in an obscure and indirect way.

How this proves that the money

1) has been moved 'illegally' (which authority is responsible)

2) linked to Putin's family personally

3) linked to the 'uncovered' scheme

This is what I call jumping between the facts

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