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Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
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#22Sure, in Russia they are assassinated and in the USA they fall victims to botched robberies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich ), so the US media tell us.
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#23Uncover the theft of hundreds of thousands will get you a bonus. Uncover the theft of millions will get you a big promotion. Uncover the theft of billions by corrupt state actors and international crime syndicates is only ever going to get you dead. Perhaps I have a different mindset, but if I had been looking into this, I think I would have stopped digging as soon as I got a hint of how deep this rabbit hole actuall…
"I think I would have stopped digging as soon as I got a hint of how deep this rabbit hole actually was"
Or maybe find a way of making the news public under anonimity, which brings us to the importance of being able/allowed to do so when necessary.
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#24All tax money in Russia and elsewhere is stolen and therefore dirty and corrupt to begin with anyway. Try not paying taxes and you'll get jailed -- and if you refuse this you'll get gunned down. I think doing anything you can to avoid paying taxes without getting yourself into trouble is a moral obligation.
I like paying taxes. I get "free" healthcare and education and so many other things here in Sweden that wouldn't be possible without taxes. Simply not having to ever think about the financials of those things is worth a good 5% taxes if you ask me.
I wouldn't want to pay any less in taxes if it meant taking any of that away, but I would happily pitch in more if each additional krona would do as much or more than the one before it.
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#25Sure, in Russia they are assassinated and in the USA they fall victims to botched robberies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich ), so the US media tell us.
Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conversely, Seth Rich hasn't been shown to be involved in anything that might motivate someone to have him killed. The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange.
Surely it's good to be skeptical, but being so skeptical that you draw incorrect equivalences between Russia and the US may be taking things too far.
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#26Is anyone able to explain how they have jumped from this
"Andrei Kozlov was gunned down in 2006, weeks after trying to shutter the world’s biggest money-laundering scam"
to this
"—one reportedly used by Putin’s family and the FSB." ?
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#27Oh Wikileaks, why would you publish more material that harms the leaders of the Russian state? It's as if you don't even care that you're contradicting the constant media accounts of your pro-Russian bias. Corporate-media stenographers have families to feed!
> According to a telegram that remained buried until now in the cache of 250,000 diplomatic cables leaked by WikiLeaks in 2010
care to try that argument again, taking into account how time works?
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#28Is anyone able to explain how they have jumped from this "Andrei Kozlov was gunned down in 2006, weeks after trying to shutter the world’s biggest money-laundering scam" to this "—one reportedly used by Putin’s family and the FSB." ?
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#29Sure, in Russia they are assassinated and in the USA they fall victims to botched robberies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich ), so the US media tell us.
Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conversely, Seth Rich hasn't been shown to be involved in anything that might motivate someone to have him killed. The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Surely it's good to be skeptical, but being…
Found murdered with gunshot wound to the back. Police claimed it was robbery yet his wallet, cellphone, creditcards, and laptop weren't taken.
> The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange.
Well, that and basic commonsense. If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thrown out by the media (without evidence, mind you).
Re: Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $200B scandal (2018)
#30All tax money in Russia and elsewhere is stolen and therefore dirty and corrupt to begin with anyway. Try not paying taxes and you'll get jailed -- and if you refuse this you'll get gunned down. I think doing anything you can to avoid paying taxes without getting yourself into trouble is a moral obligation.
I like paying taxes. I get "free" healthcare and education and so many other things here in Sweden that wouldn't be possible without taxes. Simply not having to ever think about the financials of those things is worth a good 5% taxes if you ask me. I wouldn't want to pay any less in taxes if it meant taking any of that away, but I would happily pitch in more if each additional krona would do as much or more than the…
Yeah that's all nice and shiny, but imagine if those taxes were simply stolen by corrupt government. Your mom would die from simple appendectomy infection because hospitals don't have enough money to do things properly. Plus if you got fired, you would have next to 0 support from the state, and either you have some savings you just eat through or your kids starve. And on top of that, any simple bureaucracy you want to do would require bribes left and right just to get things done that in normal society are done efficiently and almost effortlessly. Police would be corrupt too and chasing any dissent more than criminals. Roads you drive on would be semi-useless and getting worse. Etc...
In that situation, you know your tax money is >90% spend just to enrich somebody, probably also helping mafia, you would have a different perspective.
I don't claim I have a solution. I don't. I left my east/central European home that is nowhere as bad as failed state of Russia, but even with that corruption is still pretty bad, a-holes stealing from everybody are often well known, sometimes proper celebrities laughing off their supercars. I know I don't want to raise my kids in such a society, no matter how close to my heart it is and how easy life I had back home with my qualifications and savings. I know I wouldn't change anything back home and just be frustrated or apathetic, just like all my peers that stayed at home. Or I would get a sniper rifle and take those corrupt people down, without much remorse (actually I am very surprised not a single unbalanced person ever done that, anywhere). So, I moved and don't plan to come back in productive age.