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Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by bilekas »

chrisseaton wrote: post #23
bilekas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because truth is subjective. no... It's not.. Thats the point. Things are not marked (legitemately) as fake based on opinion..

> Things are not marked (legitemately) as fake based on opinion. People are worried about things that are illegitimately marked as fake based on opinion.

You do realise there is a standard to bear when fact checking ?

https://ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/

Its not a bunch of opinion based socialists with flower based triggers.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by chrisseaton »

bilekas wrote: post #28
chrisseaton wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people say any idea they disagree with is false.

Not really. Have you ever heard of "Unsubstantiated claims" ? Let me ask you the classic; "When did you stop beating your wife?"

> Not really.

You don’t think people call things ‘fake news’ just because they disagree with it?

Calling things fake news is a common type of fake news these days!

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by chrisseaton »

bilekas wrote: post #31
chrisseaton wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things are not marked (legitemately) as fake based on opinion. People are worried about things that are illegitimately marked as fake based on opinion.

You do realise there is a standard to bear when fact checking ? https://ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/ Its not a bunch of opinion based socialists with flower based triggers.

I hate to bring you some devastating news here... but some people don’t follow journalistic best practices.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by nicoburns »

macspoofing wrote: post #17
bilekas wrote: post #12

I just can't get my head around why political speech is permitted to be false.. Have Facebook ever actually given any solid reasons for this decision?

>I just can't get my head around why political speech is permitted to be false.. What do you mean by 'permitted'? Facts within the political sphere need to be interpreted with the lens of your political ideology because politics are not a rational game. Political beliefs are emotional even if the proponents claim otherwise. For example, take the statement "Homelessness in San Francisco is due to rising inequality, co…

Some things like "we've spent X over the last 5 years" are (sometimes) obviously false though.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by pnako »

bilekas wrote: post #12

I just can't get my head around why political speech is permitted to be false.. Have Facebook ever actually given any solid reasons for this decision?

Voters decide what is good or bad political speech (at least in democracies). It's already bad enough with concentrated corporate media and giant web corporations, we don't need to have another unelected group of "fact checkers" mess with this any further.

Let anyone, politician or not, make any political speech and, again, voters will ultimately decide.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by bilekas »

chrisseaton wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Have you ever heard of "Unsubstantiated claims" ? Let me ask you the classic; "When did you stop beating your wife?"

> Not really. You don’t think people call things ‘fake news’ just because they disagree with it? Calling things fake news is a common type of fake news these days!

Thats fine, but those people are not under the fact checking standard :

https://ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/

There are methods and proceedures in place to fact check.

I'm really surprised people think facts are opinion based.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by chrisseaton »

bilekas wrote: post #36
chrisseaton wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not really. You don’t think people call things ‘fake news’ just because they disagree with it? Calling things fake news is a common type of fake news these days!

Thats fine, but those people are not under the fact checking standard : https://ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/ There are methods and proceedures in place to fact check. I'm really surprised people think facts are opinion based.

> There are methods and proceedures in place to fact check.

Not everyone follows methods and procedures to fact check properly... that’s... the... problem.

When InfoWars calls things fake news, they ain’t carefully going through your policy.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by pnako »

bilekas wrote: post #19
c72a7fd0 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should be allowed to be wrong. It's that simple. If you disagree with this you're not a very good person (fact).

Well why fact check anything then ? If you're going to do it as a company, I don't know why you have two standards..

That's a good point. I think Facebook made a mistake by doing this. They should only vet ads for legality in the target jurisdiction (to some extent, false advertising is a crime, so they might need some minimum fact checking there).

Generally I think those companies are making a huge mistake if they slightly deviate from absolute neutrality in the area of politics/geopolitics. Any deviation is seen as taking sides by both sides, and from that point onward everyone will basically judge those companies as taking part in partisan divides. Nothing to gain from that.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by IIAOPSW »

bilekas wrote: post #28
chrisseaton wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people say any idea they disagree with is false.

Not really. Have you ever heard of "Unsubstantiated claims" ? Let me ask you the classic; "When did you stop beating your wife?"

1. The existence of unsubstantiated claims does not contradict the statement that people call any news they disagree with fake.

2. "When did you stop beating your wife" is a an example of a completely unrelated fallacy.

Re: Facebook's only Dutch factchecker quits over political ad exemption

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Post by mattigames »

forgingahead wrote: post #27

For everyone doing all the hand-wringing about Facebook, doesn't existing media (newspapers, TV, cable, etc) already NOT "fact check" ads run on their networks?

Is the existing media reaching one third of the world population and part of a single company? You have to keep in mind when talking about facebook that is a machinery of proportions never seen before.
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