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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

riversflow wrote: post #167

pjc50 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon... This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

>the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover. You must be saying this in jest, or you have been brainwashed. Without even touching on the interment camps, which are definitely worse than the US prison system; here is demonstrable evidence that the US cares more about global human rights than the Chinese.[1] [1] https://www.hrw.org…

The United States invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on a thin pretext. It toppled the government of Libya, leading to years of turmoil and the return of literal slavery. It supported Sunni extremists in Syria that helped tear that country apart. It ran a global kidnapping and torture operation for years. It conducts drone assassinations around the world. When I hear Americans talking about the US standing for human rights around the world, I wonder where they've been living these past few decades.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by socialdemocrat » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #129

pavlov wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "...the real question is why others are so willing to give up their sovereignty and right to self determination?" It's an easy question to ask when you're the guy at the top of the pile with the biggest guns and the ability to kill or capture your perceived enemies anywhere in the world. For everyone else, global institutions based on universal human rights are a welcome safeguard against the abuses of 20th century…

Name a large country that would really obey an ICC dictate that it didn't like (Namely China, India, USA, Russia, Great Britain, France, Germany, etc)

Basically you are arguing for the kind of oppressive world China and Russia wants. One where a state has absolute sovereignty for abuse and oppress.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by DethNinja » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

onepointsixC wrote: post #156

coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

This specifically furthers the interests of a ruling class, the Chinese Communist Party. It is explicitly giving the CCP an American funded and developed technology which they can use for further development of racially profiled mass surveillance for the continued genocide of the Uyghurs. This is an awful move.

lol that’s a huge jump from developing open source cpu without backdoors to genocide of Uyghurs.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by jki275 » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #104

Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon... This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

One might note the act you reference in your link has no real precedent in US history and is an anomaly by someone who has no concept of how the military works and issues orders to the military via twitter.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by nocturnial » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

socialdemocrat wrote: post #165

gonational wrote: post #149

> wants to ensure that universities, governments and companies outside the United States can help develop its open-source technology Read as: > wants to ensure that China... Let me see if I understand this correctly. US tax dollars funded (in part, via UC Berkeley) this technology, and now this organization is moving outside of the US specifically so that it can work with China in ways that the US would not appreciat…

The signals from the current US administration is pretty clear. It is a government that puts American interest ahead of any other concern. Naturally universities in other western countries are going to have their doubts about cooperating on crucial technology if it is under control by a government which only cares about national interests. Same reason I favor exiting NATO and building a European alliance only. The US…

> The signals from the current US administration is pretty clear.

If it was only the current US administration then it would be easier. Didn't the bush administration also had a policy "You're either for us, or against us"?

Even in the case the current administration is replaced, it's only 4 or 8 years until they are again replaced by another administration willing to blow up alliances for domestic politics.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by microtherion » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #80

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Yeah, that's what we LIKE the others to think.

Realistically, our armed forces are at a strength of about 140K soldiers right now (pretty sure that's not a state secret).

The parts of the terrain that are actually inhabited are not particularly forbidding (let them build their RISC processors in a hut nestled beside an 8500ft mountain pass. Don't forget to bring popcorn as you watch them).

And nuclear power plants make a big fat bombing target for opponents too lazy to make their own dirty bombs. Conveniently placed smack in the middle of the inhabitable part of Switzerland, too.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by socialdemocrat » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #122

Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

"The US truly are the bully in the room." The world is a very fragile, dynamic balance of power and the US is the only thing holding it together. Despite many grievances, it's sad to see people fail to grasp this.

Such complete rubbish. The US is the country causing the chaos, not keeping the order.

This is a lie America keeps telling its own citizens to justify American power abuse, aimed at nothing but maintaining the American empire.

Those 80 military bases around the world are not to maintain peace, but to maintain American commercial and military interests.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by onepointsixC » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:03 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #104

Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon... This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

Pardoning was the wrong move, but are you honestly putting that upon the same level as over a million placed in concentration camps? The US is not perfect, but what, because of that they can't have legitimate points on human rights on what the CCP is doing?

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by gok » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:06 PM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

> It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology

Definitely. Next up should be punishment for the EU nations with those restrictions on cookies and tracking technology in general.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by wayoutthere » Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 2:07 PM UTC

onepointsixC wrote: post #159

nine_zeros wrote: post #47

Great work. Let over politicized countries fight each other while the rest of the world moves ahead. >“The Chinese Communist Party is trying to circumvent our export control system to support national security threats like Huawei - we cannot let it succeed,” Representative Mike Gallagher, a Republican from Wisconsin, told Reuters. I mean, one cannot make this more obvious. The rest of the world really doesn't want to…

Ah yes, let's do business without concerns of morality. Make western funded technology available CCP SOE's. After all, they gotta power their "exciting" and "innovative"[1] algorithms with some sort of architecture. Less we miss anyone[2]. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/12/chinese-firm... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/sep/23/footage-...

Morality is simply "things I like" and "things I don't like". It's not a good basis for policy, especially when moral standards vary significantly between individuals.

It's a fool's errand to try to impose your morals on another person as if they were somehow superior (though that arrogance is the foundation of the American psyche). You literally just can't.