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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by close04 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #129
pavlov wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "...the real question is why others are so willing to give up their sovereignty and right to self determination?" It's an easy question to ask when you're the guy at the top of the pile with the biggest guns and the ability to kill or capture your perceived enemies anywhere in the world. For everyone else, global institutions based on universal human rights are a welcome safeguard against the abuses of 20th century…

Name a large country that would really obey an ICC dictate that it didn't like (Namely China, India, USA, Russia, Great Britain, France, Germany, etc)

I'm not sure Germany and France should be on that list. Not because they wouldn't try to protect their own even from the suspicion of being war criminals but because they would never got to such lengths as to threaten war to do it.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

6510 wrote: post #120
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, it is officially called 'American Service-Members' Protection Act' which was supposedly passed as there was a chance George W. Bush could be arrested & tried at ICC for war crimes; media & human rights organizations call it 'Hague invasion act' for what it is.

he was already tried in absentia. It was easy, there are many TV interviews where W does a full confession by saying torture produces good information.

>he was already tried in absentia

I think that was in 'Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission', it's not a U.N. recognised body.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by rayiner »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #140
rayiner wrote: post #119

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How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

>Why submit to the will of some foreign court that’s totally outside the framework of your own country’s laws, constitution, and institutions? They why be subject to U.N. and it's ICJ? Submitting only to institutions in which we have extraordinary influence or can veto out of unfavourable circumstances is not 'protection of sovereignty'; it's hypocrisy and disregard to delivering justice.

The UN is largely voluntary and has little power to issue anything binding. The US is a member of the ICJ but has not consented for compulsory jurisdiction. It only submits to ICJ jurisdiction on a treaty-by-treaty or consent basis.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by tanilama »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #85
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

No-one is going to invade Switzerland. A country like the US can invade any country they want. International law is irrelevant. But they can pressure a country like Switzerland without needing to resort to military action, which would be crazy anyway in the case of Switzerland.

US probably couldn't invade Russia or China, not on its own. I don't think they have the sheer number of men even.

Those countries are huge.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by baybal2 »

rayiner wrote: post #119
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

> The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary.

ICC members follow universal jurisdiction when it comes to war crime.

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Post by FakeComments »

DrScientist wrote: post #125
rayiner wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

> In my view, the real question is why others are so willing to give up their sovereignty and right to self determination? You are an anarchist then? Otherwise as an sovereign individual, how can you justify being part of nation with laws over you? It's not so much giving up sovereignty as pooling it. ie you trade your right to do so as you wish, for a guarantee that others can't just do as they wish on agreed areas…

The US has always been based around a rejection of the collectivist society and rule from afar by bureaucrats that the ICC represents and pushed for the localization of power.

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Post by gonational »

> wants to ensure that universities, governments and companies outside the United States can help develop its open-source technology

Read as:

> wants to ensure that China...

Let me see if I understand this correctly. US tax dollars funded (in part, via UC Berkeley) this technology, and now this organization is moving outside of the US specifically so that it can work with China in ways that the US would not appreciate. And we (“we” being an audience almost entirely based in the Occident) are all cheering this on?

Do you think they are worried about that US blocking them from working with Oxford, or with the Spanish government? This is because they got money from Alibaba.

Is this the same group that was defending South Park and bashing on the NBA just weeks ago?

Gimme a fuckin break.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by cyphar »

jariel wrote: post #122
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

"The US truly are the bully in the room." The world is a very fragile, dynamic balance of power and the US is the only thing holding it together. Despite many grievances, it's sad to see people fail to grasp this.

Given that the US funds more than 70% of all dictatorships, has funded and organised numerous coups against democratically-elected leaderships (to install US-friendly ones) and is currently waging several illegal wars in the middle east -- I don't see how you could argue that the US is holding anything together. Even at a cursory glance, they seem to be instigating most of the problems.
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