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Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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post #15

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Why?

Because of the extraordinary suffering it causes to animals. https://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-campaigns/live-animal-transport/

> Unexpected issues – in addition to routine suffering, long distance live transport can also result in fires, delays or sinking of livestock ships causing the suffering and death of large numbers of animals.

Apparently sinking ships with live stock is not uncommon?

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#42
post #22

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I'm sure it would be possible to transport animals more gently. Banning live animal transport altogether sounds like an overreaction.

You can slaughter them first and ship the carcasses.

What if you're trying to sell breeding animals?

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#43

Without knowing the in's and out's of supply and demand this really raises the question as to why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported. Our reliance on global markets for our produce is out of hand (probably preaching to the converted here).

If not for global markets, my fresh fruit and vegetable selection would be VERY limited. As a kid, I had mostly root vegetables and apples from October until spring.

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Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#44
post #23

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The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.

I'm assuming because of the way an animal is sacrificed in order to be considered "halal". It would require a large slaughterhouse with the proper setup, which in an 98% orthodox country is not a easy arrangement.

About 25% of red meat exports from New Zealand are halal, and almost every slaughterhouse is capable of halal slaughter.

It's actually not particularly difficult to do halal slaughter, the two main requirements are that it is killed with a cut to the throat (common in non-halal slaughter) by a Muslim.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#45

Without knowing the in's and out's of supply and demand this really raises the question as to why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported. Our reliance on global markets for our produce is out of hand (probably preaching to the converted here).

If not for global markets, my fresh fruit and vegetable selection would be VERY limited. As a kid, I had mostly root vegetables and apples from October until spring.

I have always wondered if we, as a species, are the problem. Maybe we’re really not supposed to spread and colonize every part of Earth. Maybe we’re supposed to stay within much narrower areas where the local produce is good enough.

Not sure if I’m making sense.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#46
post #23
post #11

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> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.

Because of religious BS.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#47
post #35

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how dare them want to eat right?

What part about importing dead sheep instead of live sheep is the problem?

ah, the good old "I can't see why they doing it so they must be wrong" line of thinking.

dunno, on top of my head:

how much does shipping frozen good costs over short-medium distances?

how much does slaughtering cost in either countries?

how do you track if food was processed according to that market expectancy and codes?

why wendy is so big on touting his beef was never frozen?

and there's not even a general rule, shipping meat can be cost effective compared to animals depending on country of origin and destination, yet alone distances, i.e. https://library.wur.nl/WebQuery/wurpubs/fulltext/420339 and the result vary according to whether you're optimizing for cost or environment protection (and we know what companies tend to go for, right?)

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#48

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right, why don't they flock them on their vast deserts

I see New Zealand lamb, frozen, in my Toronto supermarkets all the time ... they don't need to be alive.

and I see Argentinian meat sold fresh in Italy, plural of anectodes is still not data

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#49
post #24
post #3

Live shipping should be banned.

We’re shipping humans live. It’s not as if we subject sheep to something we aren’t willing to undertake ourselves.

What are you talking about exactly? Are thousands of humans dying of heat stress due to spending weeks at sea in literally unbearable conditions? It's horrific.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

#50
post #11

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> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

Nothing wrong with needing to transport but the problem is that globalisation has made it economically more viable to sell globally than locally. Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it.

> Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it.

global (aka long-distance) trade started around 3000 BC. it got a boom in 1815 due to mechanisation.

if you want to find out more, this is a good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade

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