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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by 6510 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

"[Too tight of regulation forces companies overseas]" This is why no one takes economists seriously. Not that he's right or wrong, just that his read on the situation is totally wrong.

You're misquoting him.. > The foundation’s move from Delaware to Switzerland may foreshadow further technology flight because of U.S. restrictions on dealing with some Chinese technology companies, said William Reinsch, who was undersecretary of commerce for export administration in the Clinton administration. > “There is a message for the government. The message is, if you clamp down on things too tightly this is wh…

I was thinking the same thing but then it struck me they might be US companies who are much more intimately familiar with government doctoring. It might even be Berkley?

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by stjohnswarts »

6510 wrote: post #121
juskrey wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US have already pressured Swiss to remove bank secrecy, which is kinda a big deal.

The world applauded that effort.

They've actually bust a lot of African dictators and such it was more or less a success. At least in the short term. Crooks will always come up with a way to launder cash though

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #57
coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

I think standards development should be open, so Switzerland is the ideal host in any geopolitical situation. Otherwise, I do think the American economy could benefit from restrictions on imports. It's called import substitution economics, which worked very well for american steel back in the late 19th century. Not sure if it'll work again though. Things are different now.

It would definitely work. The USA is a -huge- market, it just wouldn't be as economically "good/efficient" as free trade is in a strictly classical economics sense.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by stjohnswarts »

chj wrote: post #43

It is interesting to see Switzerland becoming a technology hub in the post blockchain era.

was there ever a blockchain era? All I ever heard of was the blockchain bubble? Sure it's useful but it's not the end of all traditional exchange and contracts like it's most religious adherents subscribed to.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by stjohnswarts »

mikeyouse wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

"[Too tight of regulation forces companies overseas]" This is why no one takes economists seriously. Not that he's right or wrong, just that his read on the situation is totally wrong.

You're misquoting him.. > The foundation’s move from Delaware to Switzerland may foreshadow further technology flight because of U.S. restrictions on dealing with some Chinese technology companies, said William Reinsch, who was undersecretary of commerce for export administration in the Clinton administration. > “There is a message for the government. The message is, if you clamp down on things too tightly this is wh…

This is a case where I would trust them because it -is- open source. However I support US efforts to keep Huawei out of core communications structures, at least in the USA, and hopefully Europeans will follow with US or Continental suppliers. Microchips make it very, vey easy to bury backdoors for Chinese intelligence agencies as well as put in encryption weaknesses. Say what you want about the US but there are pathways to prevent you from being railroaded by the government if you're willing to stand up to them. This isn't so in China, where you just get disappeared or imprisoned if you don't tow the party line.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by markvdb »

juskrey wrote: post #114
mytailorisrich wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No-one is going to invade Switzerland. A country like the US can invade any country they want. International law is irrelevant. But they can pressure a country like Switzerland without needing to resort to military action, which would be crazy anyway in the case of Switzerland.

US have already pressured Swiss to remove bank secrecy, which is kinda a big deal.

...to remove the Swiss bank secrecy, and keep the US bank secrecy...

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by misja »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #132
6510 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world applauded that effort.

They've actually bust a lot of African dictators and such it was more or less a success. At least in the short term. Crooks will always come up with a way to launder cash though

And now there is BitCoin.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by theobeers »

rayiner wrote: post #119
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

People are challenging you on the point about sovereignty, but you’re quite right to criticize the ridiculous processes of the ICC. What defense is there for that? Is it supposed to be acceptable because it’s a ridiculousness that belongs to all nations?

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

rayiner wrote: post #119
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

>Why submit to the will of some foreign court that’s totally outside the framework of your own country’s laws, constitution, and institutions?

They why be subject to U.N. and it's ICJ? Submitting only to institutions in which we have extraordinary influence or can veto out of unfavourable circumstances is not 'protection of sovereignty'; it's hypocrisy and disregard to delivering justice.

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