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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by roenxi »

eru wrote: post #52
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #49

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No, we should counter them through economic and political pressure. Most sane people try to avoid nuclear war.

Most sane people also try to avoid a 'trade war'.

It seems pretty reasonable to say China has a plan to supplant the United State's values in the international order and surpass their military might.

It makes sense to avoid wars, trade and otherwise, but it also makes sense to consider what China is going to do in the future. Turning a blind eye to the fact that they are showing no particular signs of liberalising as they get wealthier would be a mistake.

Even if the trade wars themselves are a bad idea it is very comforting to see the US trying to focus on actual threats rather than the ghosts of the Soviet Union and blowing up brown people in the middle east.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pjc50 »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #57
coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

I think standards development should be open, so Switzerland is the ideal host in any geopolitical situation. Otherwise, I do think the American economy could benefit from restrictions on imports. It's called import substitution economics, which worked very well for american steel back in the late 19th century. Not sure if it'll work again though. Things are different now.

The mistake is categorising things like iPhones as simple "imports", when both the parts and the software and most of the profits are from American companies. I work for an iPhone-part-supplying US headquarters company with offices around the world. We spent some considerable effort working out who was allowed to continue talking to Huawei.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by leereeves »

atoav wrote: post #69
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #38

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You’d probably call me a leftist although I don’t have any group that I would feel at home with. It is quite hard for me to find any idiot in my friends circles that would defend the soviets or sympathize with them. As somebody who studied philosophy and reads quite a lot I can assure you that the amount of left intellectuals who are still defending the SU is equally low — at least in Europe. So what you are postulat…

With both Warren and Sanders proposing to tax rich people at levels not seen outside Communist countries, it's hard to believe the left doesn't sympathize with the Soviets, at least pre-Stalin Soviets.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

pjc50 wrote: post #72
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think standards development should be open, so Switzerland is the ideal host in any geopolitical situation. Otherwise, I do think the American economy could benefit from restrictions on imports. It's called import substitution economics, which worked very well for american steel back in the late 19th century. Not sure if it'll work again though. Things are different now.

The mistake is categorising things like iPhones as simple "imports", when both the parts and the software and most of the profits are from American companies. I work for an iPhone-part-supplying US headquarters company with offices around the world. We spent some considerable effort working out who was allowed to continue talking to Huawei.

How have things changed for you all over the past few years?

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by javajosh »

h0l0cube wrote: post #67
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #34

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That attitude certainly is encouraged by the DNC and mainstream media, but the reality is that China's economy is far more vulnerable to the trade war than ours and we have put ourselves in a great position of leverage over China as a result. What's truly brainless is thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and ignore an ever expanding Totalitarian dictatorship bent on becoming the world's most powerful count…

> What's truly brainless is thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and ignore an ever expanding Totalitarian dictatorship bent on becoming the world's most powerful country. I'd be more in line with this reasoning if the intent of the trade war was to incentivize better moral outcomes. This war won't end in China becoming less of a totalitarian power, nor will it stop China growing as an economic power. The…

>...without the expense of having to provide human rights and freedoms

If you assume that raising a small population of creative, technical problem-solvers requires this expense, then China has successfully outsourced that role to 'us' (meaning Western democracies, esp. the US), just as we've outsourced our manufacturing workforce to them. I think a trade-war is justified in retaliation for rampant systematic IP theft - although this would clearly be a post hoc rationalization at this point.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by vkazanov »

leereeves wrote: post #73
atoav wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d probably call me a leftist although I don’t have any group that I would feel at home with. It is quite hard for me to find any idiot in my friends circles that would defend the soviets or sympathize with them. As somebody who studied philosophy and reads quite a lot I can assure you that the amount of left intellectuals who are still defending the SU is equally low — at least in Europe. So what you are postulat…

With both Warren and Sanders proposing to tax rich people at levels not seen outside Communist countries, it's hard to believe the left doesn't sympathize with the Soviets, at least pre-Stalin Soviets.

U mean countries like France? :-)

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by knolax »

aidenn0 wrote: post #39
kortilla wrote: post #33

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Do you consider it corruption to offer free money in exchange for votes (I.e. many of the contenders for the Democratic primary in the US)?

There is no offer of money for votes. In fact, many of the poorest areas of the country are more likely to vote Republican.

I think he's referring to UBI.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by ajdlinux »

eru wrote: post #50
deogeo wrote: post #16

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Corporations have only themselves to blame for the failure of the TPP. Instead of limiting the agreement to trade, it was filled to the brim with anti-consumer, anti-worker, and anti-environment clauses. Negotiated entirely by industry and kept secret from even senators, laundering legislation they could never get through any parliament. If there was any justice in the world, the TPP would not only have failed, but e…

The bigger criticism I heard about the TPP was extending America's Intellectual Property laws even further across the globe. And the secrecy was annoying as well. What anti-consumer, anti-worker and anti-environment clauses are you referring to? Of course, from the standpoint of mainstream economic theory, trade agreements are moot for their stated purpose: everyone is better off just opening up to unilateral free tr…

> The bigger criticism I heard about the TPP was extending America's Intellectual Property laws even further across the globe.

The IP issues were the big criticism within the tech community, because we care a lot about IP laws, but AFAICT not the big issue for unions, left-wing orgs, right-wing populists, etc who were much, much more concerned about tariffs, workers rights, etc and had barely anything to say about IP.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pgeorgi »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #12

I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country. My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations. Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the…

In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)
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