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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Why is this "comedy"? That's exactly what they are trying to do. Moreover, the US taxpayer is paying for it all. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%...

Look at the growing number of Chinese student returning home, something is pretty damn wrong.

You know for my parent’s generation, being able to study and immigrate to US is their unreachable dream. Nowadays it’s faded and quite a lot people just came to gain the experience.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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I appreciate and welcome this move by RISC-V foundation. With semiconductor industry being used as a major soft power, countries which don't have such power betting on RISC-V[1], it's wise to move to a neutral country.

My only gripe being, there aren't many neutral countries which can stand up to powerful militarized nations.

Edit: The reason, I mentioned lack of military power of neutral countries is because of the existence of law such as 'Hague Invasion Act'[2] which allows U.S. to invade Hague to liberate its personnel tried at International Criminal Court for war crimes. Neutral countries need military power to protect its Neutrality!

[1]https://shakti.org.in

[2]https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-be...

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this "comedy"? That's exactly what they are trying to do. Moreover, the US taxpayer is paying for it all. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%...

If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.

But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet there's quite a bit of that going on as well.

The recent few cases are just baffling. The guy resigns and gets caught on the border exfiltrating trade secrets. For one thing, why resign? Just go - you'll get fired automatically when you don't return. For another, why carry this stuff in your suitcase? Just upload it to AWS in encrypted form sail through the customs with no problem at all. They are clearly not sending their best.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this "comedy"? That's exactly what they are trying to do. Moreover, the US taxpayer is paying for it all. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%...

Look at the growing number of Chinese student returning home, something is pretty damn wrong. You know for my parent’s generation, being able to study and immigrate to US is their unreachable dream. Nowadays it’s faded and quite a lot people just came to gain the experience.

Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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What exactly did people expect to happen with this bizarre trade war? Instead of pressuring 'bad actor' countries with more free trade and something like TPP, levying pointless tariffs was obviously going to drive any joint international groups overseas. Just brainless stuff.

Corporations have only themselves to blame for the failure of the TPP. Instead of limiting the agreement to trade, it was filled to the brim with anti-consumer, anti-worker, and anti-environment clauses. Negotiated entirely by industry and kept secret from even senators, laundering legislation they could never get through any parliament. If there was any justice in the world, the TPP would not only have failed, but everyone involved would be executed for treason.

Instead, they'll just try again in a few years.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the growing number of Chinese student returning home, something is pretty damn wrong. You know for my parent’s generation, being able to study and immigrate to US is their unreachable dream. Nowadays it’s faded and quite a lot people just came to gain the experience.

Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.

But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet…

> But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were

You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...

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