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Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by lucb1e »

Marsymars wrote: post #176
lucb1e wrote: post #136

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While I was also under the impression that this is probably not true (since you can't actually log in with Newpipe), I've been waiting for them to crack down on it from the day I learned of it. Wouldn't surprise me if it stopped working when enough people start to use it. Related, a few weeks ago they cracked down on Yalp (a Play Store front-end: basically an open source implementation of their internal APIs). I'm no…

I would pay a monthly subscription fee to Google to have the Play Store be ad free.

I'd also happily pay for a store that isn't based on Google's usual profit model (tracking you) or contributes towards a monopoly (Alphabet and Internet services in general). Heck, at this point I'd be happy to pay Microsoft for apk hosting and search since they're not a monopoly in online services or own Android or anything.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by chongli »

cptskippy wrote: post #172
lonelappde wrote: post #170

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Why do you care how they spend your fare? You should care if you are getting a fair value for your fare.

> Why do you care how they spend your fare? Because I want to ensure the content creators I watch are supported, not just Youtube and the content creators it wants to support. > You should care if you are getting a fair value for your fare. As I said, I don't think it's a fair value for how I use it.

As I said, I don't think it's a fair value for how I use it.

Do your preferred channels have Patreon? If so, then perhaps it would be a better use of your money to cancel YouTube premium and instead give the money directly to those creators.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by perl4ever »

wazoox wrote: post #179
perl4ever wrote: post #158

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I'm not sure it was always common in the US, I'm sure I heard a rumor that in olden days, cable didn't have ads, or had fewer ads because you paid for it. Some places in Europe pay for OTA TV so that could be connected with the quantity of ads, rather than the inherent superiority of the citizenry in all respects.

I think this has more to do with inherent superiority of the consumer defence laws. BTW ads are an almost unmitigated nuisance: when France banned ads after 8PM on its public channels, their audience numbers soared (so the project which was an obvious gift from Sarkozy to his media mogul friends, badly backfired).

Banning ads was a failure, because it harmed the media? I thought the media was who sold ads.

Also, public television in the US doesn't have the same level of ads as other channels.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by Nextgrid »

izacus wrote: post #114
Nextgrid wrote: post #78

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My problem is not with paying. My problem is that I am being asked to pay not for the content itself, but to remove bullshit limitations that shouldn't be there in the first place. Also, it's very naive to think Google will suddenly stop tracking you just because you're paying for Premium... quite the opposite actually, as you've now given them a valid credit card and billing address.

Everything a paid service doesn't give you until you pay is a "bullshit limitation" right? Is all always arbitrary. Why do you refuse to pay for the features if you want them? Why do you feel they should serve you for free?

There’s a difference between a service not giving me something and a service explicitly breaking platform conventions.

When I open a browser tab with audio in it I expect to be able to switch to a different app and the audio keeps playing. YouTube explicitly uses hacks to break that on mobile. I consider it very nasty to get out of your way and interfere with browser & OS features like that.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by Doxin »

izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

Back when I was deciding between spotify and youtube red (which included youtube music if I recall correctly) there was no way for me to give them my money, so I went with spotify. I haven't the foggiest if they allow reasonable non-creditcard payment these days, but they removed the automatically generated music playlist anyways so I'll stick with spotify as I can't be arsed to re-figure out how youtube works for half of my use cases.

Protip for big multinationals trying to get international customers for their service: Not everyone has a credit card, or a desire to get one specifically to pay you. Provide alternative payment methods.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

Doxin wrote: post #185
izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

Back when I was deciding between spotify and youtube red (which included youtube music if I recall correctly) there was no way for me to give them my money, so I went with spotify. I haven't the foggiest if they allow reasonable non-creditcard payment these days, but they removed the automatically generated music playlist anyways so I'll stick with spotify as I can't be arsed to re-figure out how youtube works for ha…

I don't know if I'm missing some important detail here (correct me if so), but just my experience in the web over the last decade:

Any form asking for a credit card accepts debit cards. Same format anyway.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by wazoox »

perl4ever wrote: post #183
wazoox wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this has more to do with inherent superiority of the consumer defence laws. BTW ads are an almost unmitigated nuisance: when France banned ads after 8PM on its public channels, their audience numbers soared (so the project which was an obvious gift from Sarkozy to his media mogul friends, badly backfired).

Banning ads was a failure, because it harmed the media? I thought the media was who sold ads. Also, public television in the US doesn't have the same level of ads as other channels.

The idea was to ban ads on public TV to augment the price of ads for the private channels by reducing the market size. But instead people watched the no-ads channels more, so the price of ads on the private channels didn't soar but fell instead.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by cptskippy »

chongli wrote: post #182
cptskippy wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you care how they spend your fare? Because I want to ensure the content creators I watch are supported, not just Youtube and the content creators it wants to support. > You should care if you are getting a fair value for your fare. As I said, I don't think it's a fair value for how I use it.

As I said, I don't think it's a fair value for how I use it. Do your preferred channels have Patreon? If so, then perhaps it would be a better use of your money to cancel YouTube premium and instead give the money directly to those creators.

I never said I had Premium. I said I didn't think it was a good value.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by jhart99 »

viraptor wrote: post #135
danShumway wrote: post #92

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It's the opposite for me. I've been paying for Youtube Premium since back when they were calling it Youtube Red, and the nag screens haven't gone away. When I'm signed in, Youtube still sticks up banners that remind me that I have exclusive content I don't care about. I still get reminders about all of the "cool" features I don't want. I still have to jump through hoops to archive content that I care about. I'm payin…

> and the nag screens haven't gone away I'm also there since Youtube Red and I'm not sure what you mean. I've never seen a nag screen so far. I wonder if it's some bug, or some kind of targeting failure?

I think it is a bug. I had it happen to my account which I've gotten grandfathered from Google Music -> Red -> Premium. The app suddenly changed from saying Premium to saying Youtube in the upper left corner and I was completely blasted with ads for Premium. I contacted them through Google One and whoever they routed it to got it fixed.
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