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Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by catalogia »

alexis_fr wrote: post #18
perl4ever wrote: post #15

I can't remember if it was on YouTube or not, but the other day, I wanted to watch a video about an Acura concept car, and it forced me to watch a Honda ad. I quit in disgust. People insist that online advertising works, but it's just too much to swallow any more.

4 ads every 12 minutes was quite common on TV. I’ve always thought Youtube would ramp it up to this level one day. It’s only a matter of time until VoD does it too (Netflix? for 7$?).

With Netflix you're already hard pressed to go five minutes without product placement.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by icebraining »

amelius wrote: post #104
yborg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, you will pay and still get the behavioral ad tracking. There was a time when cable television's premise was "TV with no commercials!"

Back in the old days, a telephone company listening in on conversations of their customers was a deadly sin. Perhaps we should just classify these big (e.g. >1M users) media companies as telecommunications companies (which they are ), and let the law deal with them. This would also solve issues involving the network effect.

When using YouTube, who are you having a private conversation with?

That model seems appropriate for messengers and such, but not really for the site under discussion here.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by extropy »

wazoox wrote: post #119
izacus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to follow your logic? What's the scenario you want here: for Google to continue providing YouTube for free or that they rise prices so other competition can be cheaper? What's your endgoal with the breakup?

The goal of the breakup is to end a monopoly and a undeserved power-grab. For democracy to thrive, nobody should have too much power. Particularly corporations.

Such nice fluffy words... How would that impact your daily life?

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by codegladiator »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #65
codegladiator wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a 49 mb video watched a million times is 49 tb bandwidth. 1 tb bandwidth cost of aws is 236 usd a month.

I don't think that's quite right. 1TB/mo of CloudFront bandwidth is $90/mo (per [1]). Also, that's the on-demand price. The price with volume discounts is much lower. [1]: https://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html#s=CloudFront&...

I guess sure even with your calculation that is still a considerable expense while on youtube the user might be getting some money for their video

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by viraptor »

danShumway wrote: post #92
izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

It's the opposite for me. I've been paying for Youtube Premium since back when they were calling it Youtube Red, and the nag screens haven't gone away. When I'm signed in, Youtube still sticks up banners that remind me that I have exclusive content I don't care about. I still get reminders about all of the "cool" features I don't want. I still have to jump through hoops to archive content that I care about. I'm payin…

> and the nag screens haven't gone away

I'm also there since Youtube Red and I'm not sure what you mean. I've never seen a nag screen so far. I wonder if it's some bug, or some kind of targeting failure?

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by lucb1e »

jowsie wrote: post #36
perlpimp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can get your whole Google account suspended by using newpipe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21247759

No idea how common this is, but that particular case seems to most likely be fabricated.

While I was also under the impression that this is probably not true (since you can't actually log in with Newpipe), I've been waiting for them to crack down on it from the day I learned of it. Wouldn't surprise me if it stopped working when enough people start to use it.

Related, a few weeks ago they cracked down on Yalp (a Play Store front-end: basically an open source implementation of their internal APIs). I'm not sure if/when they're going to ease up on that, but until then, it looks like I'm stuck with whatever selection of apps (and versions) I've got at the moment.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by CamelCaseName »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #130
izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

> It's like demanding that music authors just send you MP3s for free without paying for it at all. That's exactly what should happen. Creators need to figure out how to get paid before the work is created. They need to get paid for the work of creating, not for the end result which should be public domain. They should also publish a lossless FLAC instead of an MP3. > I personally hope that more companies allow me to…

>Creators need to figure out how to get paid before the work is created. They need to get paid for the work of creating

This has downsides too. After all, what are those paying for the creation getting in return?

I imagine creators, such as musicians, already get paid for the work of creating... In the form of embedded advertising.

Listen to any top song and you'll be barraged by the names of luxury brands.

Is this really the ideal world of music?

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by catalogia »

Jonnax wrote: post #35
gruez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or use youtube-dl (or newpipe on your phone), which does the same for free

Yeah there's a cheaper way. But like using Spotify versus ripping CDs or piracy, the convenience of the tool is the value.

Convenience seems to be a slippery concept. From my perspective, the convenience of mpv+youtube-dl cannot be beat. Neither the official web player nor the official mobile applications have the features I expect or desire.

For instance, I use text-to-speech to read aloud the subtitles of foreign language content. With mpv that's straight forward, but I wouldn't even know where to start with getting that to work using any of the official frontends of youtube.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by trashface »

izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

Google isn't going to stop tracking my every move and building/selling a secret advertising profile on me just because I pay them a monthly fee.

Re: YouTube’s annoying Premium spam

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Post by on_and_off »

izacus wrote: post #73

YouTube Premium is literally the service HN wants: honest payment to support a Google service costs and creators publishing on it. It's a sustainable service which actually earns more for creators than ads and data mining (at least according to last CPC values I've seen for video ads). And yet, it seems like the author of this piece still feels entitled to complain about being asked to pay the price of service and th…

This is why I have been paying for this since a while ago when it was called .. youtube red or something ? This has has so many names that I lost count.

Anyway, for the standard 10$ a month price, I get Play Music + Youtube without ads (while supporting creators and paying the platform for its infrastructure, unlike adblock).

Play Music is an ok music streaming solution. It has all the features I expect from such a service + I can import (and export) my own albums. This is the killer feature for me.

Getting Youtube without ads was just a cherry on top for me. At the time I was living in Europe where there were anyway not that many ads on Youtube.

It is very valuable now that I live in the USA where there are ads everywhere.

Now, all I want is :

- for Google not to fuck this up. I fear that Youtube Music will be a disaster and that I will lose some of the features I care about in Play Music. The very long transition is giving me some hope that they have enough time to carry things over.. but I am not too optimistic.

- I was going to write to remove tracking but I don't know how I feel about it. All the streaming services I know do track what you listen to in order to give you good suggestions and automixes. So that's pretty much a feature at this point and a way to discover new artists, although there is a tunnel effect in place. So as long as that info does not leave Youtube, I guess I am relatively fine with it until proven otherwise.

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