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TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by senectus1 »

saagarjha wrote: post #103
facethrowaway wrote: post #3

This is pretty tame and actually sounds pretty pragmatic and well-organized in a non-threatening manner, especially given the target audience (kids). Moderating for different countries’ rules is a requirement unless you want to get kicked out of lots of markets. The real concern I have is in the fact that things below 50 views don’t get much moderation attention, which is the same across all platforms, and where we s…

Are you joking? TikTok is absolutely awful at moderating content for (and generated by) children.

while at the same time marketing and deliberately targeting children.

I'd go as far as describing their behavior as "sexually Grooming" children.

Not a fan here as I guess you can tell.

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by leppr »

CPLX wrote: post #109
pgeorgi wrote: post #4

Their approach to moderation is unusual in that they don't even pretend to be a neutral platform and as such it's a powerful differentiator to businesses that are rooted in a "free speech" culture. Shadow-banning individual posts ("Visible to self") is relatively unusual and acts as a demotivator to publish controversial content because such content doesn't drive engagement, as is actively demoting entire classes of…

I mean I’m as much a fan of free speech as the next guy, but there are some pretty key differences between the concepts of “free speech in the culture” and “a giant collection of unmoderated user generated internet content”. I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos. Nobody is actually advocating for free speech. I don’t think every app has to be about political issues. Where did t…

There are simple mechanisms to prevent "penis flood" without censorship: categorization (18+/SFW categories), and sybil attack prevention/popularity ratings (just because 1 guy wants to upload his penis 1000 times, doesn't mean it must appear 1000 times in the global feed. Trolls can attract a lot of attention, but most people aren't trolls).

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by harry8 »

naringas wrote: post #33
hohohmm wrote: post #28

Try replacing 'TikTok' with Facebook, and replacing 'Chinese with 'American'....

Actually, replace with 'google'. Facebook did say they would permit political advertising without fact checking. Whereas google said they would enforce factualness

Facebook will let you broadcast lies in secret (ie targeted at specific small groups so you and I don't know what lies are being told) just so long as you pay facebook to propagate those lies. Nazi party propaganda targeted at those showing mental health problems, sure, just pay facebook and they'll do that for you. They've said so.

I really think this is the right way to think about what facebook are and what they do.

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by whoevercares »

kingofpee wrote: post #2

It's gonna be interesting to watch TikTok in the next few months. Other large social medias gonna copy what they do (like what Instagram did to SnapChat) will be interesting to see them surviving it

In case you don’t know, byte dance is BIG already, with Chinese market and capital back it really has no fear of those other giant who play catch-up

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by zzo38computer »

CPLX wrote: post #109
pgeorgi wrote: post #4

Their approach to moderation is unusual in that they don't even pretend to be a neutral platform and as such it's a powerful differentiator to businesses that are rooted in a "free speech" culture. Shadow-banning individual posts ("Visible to self") is relatively unusual and acts as a demotivator to publish controversial content because such content doesn't drive engagement, as is actively demoting entire classes of…

I mean I’m as much a fan of free speech as the next guy, but there are some pretty key differences between the concepts of “free speech in the culture” and “a giant collection of unmoderated user generated internet content”. I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos. Nobody is actually advocating for free speech. I don’t think every app has to be about political issues. Where did t…

> I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos.

I disagree. There may be some such videos, but if anyone will write anything, then there will also be a lot of other stuff too, including other videos, and also stuff that isn't videos. There might also be worthless messages such as "kljsdljlaregj lkejgl ekjrg", but there will also be some good stuff too.

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by whoevercares »

andrepd wrote: post #75
_akei wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just call Hacker News apolitical? I feel even Reddit is better when coming to political debates because on Reddit you can find a subreddit that aligns to your political ideology. On HN, if you are from China, India, Russia, African country, the best thing you can do is to avoid articles about those geographical locations because comments will be mostly negative and any dissenting view will be downvoted until…

>On HN, if you are from China, India, Russia, African country, the best thing you can do is to avoid articles about those geographical locations because comments will be mostly negative and any dissenting view will be downvoted until it becomes unreadable. I agree that downvoting for disagreement is bad, but have you considered you might simply be wrong? I strain to believe that anybody attacked you simply for being…

Uh-oh sorry the distinction is so not obvious in many thread. Consider some meme of the following: “We shouldn’t do any business with China and we should even sanction them. Do not buy anything Chinese made. Oh btw Chinese people it’s not against you guys just your government. I’m sorry if you don’t get any benefit or lose your income source”

In what universe does those views not mean hostility towards the people themselves. If you say that to any Native Chinese they’ll tell you it’s bullshit.

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by zzo38computer »

emmelaich wrote: post #127
CPLX wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I’m as much a fan of free speech as the next guy, but there are some pretty key differences between the concepts of “free speech in the culture” and “a giant collection of unmoderated user generated internet content”. I mean actual free speech would just be an endless collection of penis videos. Nobody is actually advocating for free speech. I don’t think every app has to be about political issues. Where did t…

You have a darker view of human nature than most. I mean, unmoderated, anonymous contents might have more penis vids than you want, but it doesn't mean that you have to watch them; a user sponsored moderation / rating would ensure that. If that wasn't possible, who would use the app except for penis enthusiasts?

> ... a user sponsored moderation / rating would ensure that.

I think that would be good, as long as nobody is forced to use it who does not want to use it. Other things also help such as categorization, meta-moderation, etc, but all such things should be ignorable by users who do not want it.

Re: TikTok: Cheerfulness and censorship

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Post by Grue3 »

_akei wrote: post #39
oefrha wrote: post #13

I fail to see why every platform has to become a fucking idealogical battleground. If I’m in the market for a social network myself (HN notwithstanding) I’d probably choose a politics-free one if possible.

Did you just call Hacker News apolitical? I feel even Reddit is better when coming to political debates because on Reddit you can find a subreddit that aligns to your political ideology. On HN, if you are from China, India, Russia, African country, the best thing you can do is to avoid articles about those geographical locations because comments will be mostly negative and any dissenting view will be downvoted until…

I'm from Russia and all the negative comments towards the Russian government's policies are fully deserved.
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