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Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Post by ioror93jf »

reaperducer wrote: post #53
ratww wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.

But you chose to only select a portion of the text. The second sentence is useful, too: "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating, studying, sleeping, closing the door and so forth" My school was like that when I was growing up. Your school proscribed when you go to the toilet and how to close a door?

Mine did, yes.

Grew up in rural Midwest US in the 80s. We walked in lines on a schedule for bio breaks.

We had to “shut a door respectfully” basically library rules for the sake of others.

Our school had 25-30 kids per class. How else does one manage that? If you really needed to go you could and this article does not say that’s explicitly disallowed.

I think you’re losing the forest for a tree here. The problem is the whole kidnapping & cultural cleansing.

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Post by coldtea »

abtinf wrote: post #14
_Microft wrote: post #5

The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed. "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating…

This is exactly how American education is structured. What are we doing to our children?

Teach them that they live in a society, and so they have certain responsibilities, limits, and roles, as opposed to being mere individuals that can do whatever they please, others be damned?

Sorry, but the Chinese have camps for ethnic (or religious) targeted detention and/or brainwashing.

This is nothing like "what we do" in education, American or otherwise, and the similarities (the students having a specific desk, queues to eat, etc) are irrelevant and superficial...

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Post by thiagocsf »

reaperducer wrote: post #50

Completely off topic, but can someone provide a layman's pronunciation of "Uigher?" As someone who is not a linguist, the pronunciation squiggles in the Wikipedia entry are entirely unhelpful.

Forvo is great for this.

https://forvo.com/word/uyghur/

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Post by nitwit005 »

monocasa wrote: post #51
leesec wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please remove this nonsense. Ethnic groups are not cults.

They're doing this to the extremely radical parts not the whole ethnic group. Like the governor of the region was a Uighur last time I checked.

The Chinese government must have done a truly terrible job these last few decades, if they have so many radicals. One wonders why people tolerate such abysmal leadership.

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Post by hamsapelea »

leesec wrote: post #49
hamsapelea wrote: post #48

How else does one deal with cults effectively, if not prison or rehab?

Please remove this nonsense. Ethnic groups are not cults.

A religion is not an ethnic group. They are doing to this to a religion. Period.

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #34
iscrewyou wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the reality is this: you had the option to leave, they don’t. You survived, they probably won’t.

You really don’t have an option to leave without being disciplined. Both systems are using similar tactics to create obedient factory workers; which is exactly the point. The work camp will use just more of that.

Also, it's a known (but apparently not widely discussed) "security measure" for schools to chain exits shut, in blatant violation of fire code requirements [1] [2].

[1] http://old.seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2002050731_startz01...

[2] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2010/02/23/chainin...

Re: Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps

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Post by monocasa »

lostlogin wrote: post #57
monocasa wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're doing this to the extremely radical parts not the whole ethnic group. Like the governor of the region was a Uighur last time I checked.

They only do it to the radicalised children? Think about what you are saying.

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Post by whatshisface »

ratww wrote: post #28
_Microft wrote: post #5

The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed. "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating…

> The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed My school was like that when I was growing up. I'm not justifying what China is doing, and I didn't like it myself. But I find it weird to find it quoted here like that.

The difference is that you got to go home every day. Take a look at the full leaked document for details, the BBC quotes make it sound like a smaller deal than it really is.

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Post by acdha »

bluejekyll wrote: post #15
Causality1 wrote: post #3

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I realize this might be wrong and based on not reading enough history about it, but I’ve always understood that the Holocaust was not well documented until after the war. Obviously many people fleeing Germany and the occupied countries during that period, knew something bad was happening, but overall, it’s my understanding that before and during the war, the rest of the world really wasn’t aware, or at least not awar…

It was more complicated than that: the Polish government in exile knew at least as early as 1940 and by at least 1942 those had been corroborated by allies and there were official reports presented to allied governments, the UN, and covered in major newspapers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mass_Extermination_of_Jews...

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1942/02/13/852...

The catch, of course, is that governments don’t act with a single voice: during war time intelligence agencies would be loathe to confirm anything if it revealed information about their sources, and there were enough anti-semites and Nazi sympathizers that all but the most conclusive evidence might be downplayed or lead to consequences (reportedly, concern losing support in Hungary was a factor in not leading with what was happening to the Jews).

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