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Post by pas »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #276
bbanyc wrote: post #274

In 1998 Jon Postel briefly "hijacked" the DNS root zone. Formal control over DNS had always belonged to the US government, but Postel commanded such universal respect from the internet community that they were willing to follow him, as head of IANA, over the government contractor that "officially" ran the root at the time. This of course is why ICANN was created, to bring governance of the Internet closer to the comm…

Except at least the American bureaucrats were accountable to the Department of Commerce, and ultimately elected officials. ICANN is accountable to nobody, whatsoever, in any capacity.

ICANN members are not powerless, even if organizing and kicking ICANN out is a lot of work.

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Post by dingo_bat »

patrickdavey wrote: post #143

This is just awful. For everyone wondering "how bad can it really be?", they can put whatever cost they like to keep your domain registered. I have a small carpooling site for ski fields in New Zealand - snowpool.org . I've run this for 10 years, as a fun side project. If they hike the fees to 3K a year (or whatever) then there's just no way I'd keep it going. I've have to migrate somewhere else, which would be a com…

The price should be decided by the market. Why do you expect to keep paying the same rate perpetually?

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Post by foxhop »

bawolff wrote: post #142
brianshaler wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia is a great example of a web site that has resisted the trend! It is a pretty ideal democracy for those of us whose ISP or nation-state[0] doesn't prohibit us from viewing it. There was a project similar to Wikipedia, but for semantic data. It lasted for a little while before being swallowed up by Google and shut down[1]. Granted there are some alternatives, but after investing some time working with freebas…

And now we have https://wikidata.org Im saddened by the death of rss too, but i think its a lot to blame that soley on google. If the rss ecosystem was so weak, that shutting down a single rss client killed it, it couldn't have been long for this world anyways.

Imagine if google said tomorrow that email is dead and that they are closing down Gmail... This is basically what google did to RSS. They promoted it, adopted it.

Google made it impossible for existing solutions or upstarts to compete with their free tools, then slowly killed off marketing it and supporting it. The final straw was when they killed their reader.

Google killed RSS and they are actively killing other vital parts of the Internet in favor of their tech (forcing the use of their AMP tech for the best spots on their search engine results is anti competitive, Their web browser Chrome has saturated the market and is also making decisions which will undermine the Internets open protocols, but literally hiding the protocol in URLs, hiding the path in URLs, thus forcing people to search more).

Google is not alone in using it's capital as a destructive force on open protocols and standards. Facebook, Amazon, and Twitter are the same way.

Re: Save .org

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Post by foxhop »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #133
askafriend wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stolen out from under us. Who is "us"? The internet is available to more people in more countries than ever before. There's more content on the internet than ever before. It's a part of every day life for nearly everyone in the world. That's what's happening to the internet. It's no longer a corner where quirky tinkerers were the only ones who could access it. And the promise of the internet was never to be just th…

> Similar to a kid that doesn't want to share their legos with the rest of the class. You're being disingenuous and needlessly insulting. We wanted to bring the freedom and egalitarianism of the early internet to everyone. Instead we got the jaded, corporate internet, but at least it's available to everyone. The GP is obviously mourning the quality, not the exclusivity.

Thank you for this comment.

Re: Save .org

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Post by foxhop »

necovek wrote: post #184
Waterluvian wrote: post #106

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You mean the death of the nerds-only Internet (a different kind of walled garden). There is so much creativity shared via the Internet by non-tech-savvy people that just wouldn't have been possible via the "old Internet". There's certainly many problems with something this gargantuan, but I get very skeptical when people nostalgize and eulogize "the good old days" of anything. I'll add, I say this with empathy to you…

I agree that "Internet" today is full of creative expression of millions of people able to do that mostly due the expansion it has seen into non-technical crowd. And that's brilliant. Unfortunately, getting to their creations is ultimately harder: eg. searches for anything will now throw you at some lame stuff on pinterest, which will attempt to lure you into signing up just to find out if they have what you are look…

You captured my thoughts perfectly.

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Post by peterwwillis »

byuu wrote: post #198
tldmanagement wrote: post #136

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Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

The process of mapping name=IP is not remotely technically difficult, and I'd dare say most people reading this message could implement the backend to such a system in a few days. Setting up the peering replication and nameservers around the world is considerably harder, but it's definitely not a $10 billion+ problem (the current value of registrars and certificate authorities.) A startup funded by YC could handle th…

You're right that the technology is the very least of the difficulties. And that's the reason it won't change: nobody's going to do all the work of replicating all that bureaucracy just so there's even more organizations involved.

The only way I can think to end the corruption is to take away the financial incentive, and AFAIK that would mean either the government runs anything that makes a profit, or to remove price completely.

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Post by yepguy »

pcr910303 wrote: post #72
windexh8er wrote: post #16

I've been thinking a lot about the sheer downsides of DNS overall. We need something different. Something decentralized, encrypted, something not reliant on a protocol that hasn't kept pace with security and privacy and we need something verifiable that provides accountability. As others have said TLDs have become a racket. Only the priveleged and nation states have the authority to use the system as a funnel of ridi…

Looks likes you’re wanting the decentralized web [0][1][2]. The DNS equivalent technology there is DHT(distributed hash tables) [3] which was used in torrent technology for a few years. Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech. [0] https://ipfs.io/ [1] https://dat.foundation/ [2] https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/ [3] https://en.wikipedi…

GNS from the GNUnet project is the most interesting alternative to DNS that I've come across, and is orthogonal to projects like IPFS and Scuttlebutt (although I don't know much about Dat). It's basically DNS with DHT and some very cool crypto.

https://gnunet.org/en/video.html

Re: Save .org

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

glup wrote: post #59
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Same. Time for a completely different stack / protocol? Like a cloud that is actually a cloud rather than corporate centralization with a side order of surveillance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_Internetwork_Archite...
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