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Re: Save .org

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Post by mopsi »

arcticbull wrote: post #228
byuu wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The process of mapping name=IP is not remotely technically difficult, and I'd dare say most people reading this message could implement the backend to such a system in a few days. Setting up the peering replication and nameservers around the world is considerably harder, but it's definitely not a $10 billion+ problem (the current value of registrars and certificate authorities.) A startup funded by YC could handle th…

Ah perfect, not your keys, not your domain. I mean now domain jackings can be permanent and irreversible! Apple.com can literally be stolen by Tim Apple and there’s not a thing anyone could do about it. Another clear win for the blockchain. Resolving this kind of dispute is why we have central authorities in the first place.

The dispute process is there to solve the kind of issues that do not exist in a fully automated domain name assignment systems.

Fully automated system will only care about keys and cannot hand apple.com over from Apple Inc to Tim Apple because of his name.

Re: Save .org

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Post by troquerre »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #256
tldmanagement wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

> Ultimately, this is why the DNS and domain name industry feels so shady in general and why for most companies getting a name on the internet is a tortuous process that feels very scammy, which is unfair and costs more than it probably should. Shady is putting it lightly. I once tried to register a nice .wiki domain in order to host a wiki for myself. Those domains weren't available anywhere. I had to "request" one…

You highlight an interesting point which made me realize that no one actually owns their domain names on the Internet. We’re all just renters.

You might be interested in checking out https://handshake.org which is trying to create an alternative to the existing ICANN system that is resistant to censorship and seizure. The technology is really interesting and we’re building on it ourselves.

Re: Save .org

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Post by troquerre »

blotter_paper wrote: post #258
matheusmoreira wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ultimately, this is why the DNS and domain name industry feels so shady in general and why for most companies getting a name on the internet is a tortuous process that feels very scammy, which is unfair and costs more than it probably should. Shady is putting it lightly. I once tried to register a nice .wiki domain in order to host a wiki for myself. Those domains weren't available anywhere. I had to "request" one…

Onion services don't have human readable namespaces. Independently of using onion services, whatever services we run should probably be registered on Namecoin and/or Ethereum Name Service. That's how we get out of the DNS cabal's grasp.

ENS is more focused on wallet naming than DNS. Have you checked out Handshake? It’s aiming to create a more secure root of trust for DNS that’s resistant to seizure and censorship. We (namebase.io) are building on it ourselves.

https://handshake.org

Re: Save .org

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Post by troquerre »

byuu wrote: post #198
tldmanagement wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

The process of mapping name=IP is not remotely technically difficult, and I'd dare say most people reading this message could implement the backend to such a system in a few days. Setting up the peering replication and nameservers around the world is considerably harder, but it's definitely not a $10 billion+ problem (the current value of registrars and certificate authorities.) A startup funded by YC could handle th…

Handshake is trying to do exactly what you’re describing. It’s an alternative root of trust for DNS that uses a blockchain to secure names. One of the non-obvious security benefits is that you can store certs on the blockchain instead of relying on CAs, which is a source of failure in the security of the Internet today.

Browsing adoption is tricky, but people can point their DNS to Handshake resolvers pretty easily — it’s equivalent to switching to ‘S 1.1.1.1 service which many people already do.

Re: Save .org

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Post by troquerre »

byuu wrote: post #247
oefrha wrote: post #207

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> The really hard, unsolvable part is the unwillingness of the browser vendors to support an alternative domain name system. If Chrome, Firefox, and Safari all supported a new TLD outside of ICANN's control as a public service (let's call it "Let's Resolve" which would offer free domains and would be funded through donations), it would be very successful. Not sure I understand your proposal. Say every single browser…

As stated by another person, yeah I'd want it to not overlap with the existing ICANN TLDs. Not too hard to do, and we could fix one of the bigger annoyances of DNS and correct the ordering: bsnes.byuu.org -> #newtld.byuu.bsnes, for example could work, or even just #byuu -> #byuu.bsnes and only have a sole TLD for it. I don't know how we stop squatters, maybe a one-time registration fee would be reasonable, but that w…

I mentioned Handshake in another comment. It has a good method for mitigating squatters. Names are won through a vickrey auction so they go to the highest bidder, and your funds are locked up for the duration of the auction (2 weeks) so it inhibits squatters from bidding on all the good names at once.

Re: Save .org

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Post by oefrha »

troquerre wrote: post #260
tldmanagement wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

We[1] are building on a new project called Handshake[2] which is trying to create a more secure (alternative) root of trust for domain names. It does so by storing certs on a distributed ledger instead of relying on CAs. Though this isn’t the main goal of the project, one of the benefits is that anyone can register their own TLD through a vickrey auction which is much more fair than the current ICANN system. [1] http…

> It does so by storing certs on a distributed ledger instead of relying on CAs.

When you remove/replace the buzzwords that sounds exactly like a CT log, which is also a Merkel tree.

Re: Save .org

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Post by yumraj »

walrus01 wrote: post #26

Some further background on what happened. I don't see how this can be interpreted as anything other than corruption, plain and simple. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_s... "Former ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade personally registered the domain name currently used by Ethos Capital in May and it was registered as a limited company in the US state of Delaware on May 14. That date is significant becaus…

I think all this information should be added to Fadi's Wikipedia page [0] so that people can be made aware of it.

That is one good way to bring corruption into light.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fadi_Chehad%C3%A9

Re: Save .org

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Post by liveoneggs »

gorgoiler wrote: post #188

Is there an effective direct action that can shake ICANN into some sense? I don’t mean this as a serious suggestion, but as an example we could have a “drop dot org” month where resolvers refuse to forward queries to the ORG nameservers. Not a great example because it would have a pretty negative impact on the domain holders, and no impact on ICANN. Can anyone think of a better example, equivalent to saying to ICANN…

Why do the resolvers need to follow what ICANN says to use for .org? They could revolt if coordinated

Re: Save .org

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Post by carapace »

koheripbal wrote: post #219
carapace wrote: post #43

As if this couldn't get crazier: > Goldman Sachs & Co LLC. is serving as financial adviser to both the Internet Society and PIR. https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2019/11/15/resto...

This is what they do - finance deals. This is as notable as saying Wells Fargo issued their home mortgage.

Wells Fargo, eh? Your example is apt, but perhaps not for the reason you intended (unless you're making a subtle joke, in which case I apologize for not catching it.)

> This timeline charts the most significant events in the sales scandal that erupted at Wells Fargo [in 2016]

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/09/24/a-timeline-of-well...

> Wells Fargo(WFC)charged customers a monthly service fee to maintain a checking account that many customers assumed was free and the bank is mulling how to respond to people who feel cheated, according to the bank and sources familiar with the accounts.

https://thecapitolforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Wells...

> Wells Fargo and an insurance company it worked with have agreed to pay $432 million to settle a class-action lawsuit brought by customers who say they were charged premiums for auto insurance they did not need.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article237666879....

IMO only fools and masochists would continue to bank with Wells Fargo.

Anyhow, Goldman Sachs have no business being anywhere near DNS or ".org" at all, at all. They're a bunch of crooks who make Monty Burns look sympathetic in comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Controversies_an...

Re: Save .org

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Post by tobias3 »

teddyh wrote: post #233
tobias3 wrote: post #182

As a plan B. Is there any top level domain run by a non-profit where I can switch to long term?

If you mostly trust your local government, perhaps your national ccTLD would be fine?

Hmm, in my case this would be .de/DENIC. Seems to be organized as a cooperative with those members: https://www.denic.de/en/about-denic/members/member-list/ So not very promising.

But .eu/EURid seems to be a non-profit.

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