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Re: Save .org

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Post by kortilla »

progval wrote: post #148
pcr910303 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks likes you’re wanting the decentralized web [0][1][2]. The DNS equivalent technology there is DHT(distributed hash tables) [3] which was used in torrent technology for a few years. Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech. [0] https://ipfs.io/ [1] https://dat.foundation/ [2] https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/ [3] https://en.wikipedi…

> Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech. The Bittorrent DHT is not fully decentralized, it needs a list of hardcoded bootstrap nodes. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1181301/how-does-a-dht-i...

Which can easily be changed. The bootstrap nodes don’t hold any special power.

Re: Save .org

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Post by squeezingswirls »

I fully support any campaign against the .org TLD hijacking but it would be good to know who's behind that savedotorg.org domain name. A whois search gives me 'Registrant Organization: Data Protected'.

I'd like to know to whom are we giving our email addresses, and what are they going to do with them?

Re: Save .org

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Post by kortilla »

School-Cotton wrote: post #108
autoexec wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should have no doubt that, for example, Facebook would make a "the internet" which was 100% Facebook-operated sites. AOL already tried that back when they were still sending floppies through the mail. They were the largest ISP on earth and couldn't keep people in their little walled off corner of the internet. I don't think anyone else is going to be more successful.

They might not have been able to keep people there forever , sure. But their walled garden was “the internet” to a major chunk of people in the US for quite a long time. Remember when TV commercials would tell you a company’s AOL keyword?

Yeah, that was around the time the internet wasn’t even relevant to the majority of the first world population. Trying to make comparisons to how it might look today is pointless.

At AOLs peak, it had about 35 million subscribers. Comcast alone has nearly that many.

Re: Save .org

#154

Post by kortilla »

Spooky23 wrote: post #54
colordrops wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islands already exist, with national firewalls, corporate networks, dark nets, etc. Decentralization of DNS would just take middlemen out of the picture. A dominant decentralized system would probably handle most requests if one were to ever get off the ground, making it equivalent to what we have now.

Why? DNS worked just fine with nonprofits and government entities who weren’t leeches.

Because centralized power run by people gets corrupted and bogged down by special interests.

Re: Save .org

#155

Post by antpls »

windexh8er wrote: post #16

I've been thinking a lot about the sheer downsides of DNS overall. We need something different. Something decentralized, encrypted, something not reliant on a protocol that hasn't kept pace with security and privacy and we need something verifiable that provides accountability. As others have said TLDs have become a racket. Only the priveleged and nation states have the authority to use the system as a funnel of ridi…

I'm not convinced we are talking about a decentralization issue.

We could achieve the same result with laws. Just make what is happening illegal, corruption is already illegal.

Furthermore, decentralization won't solve the basic economy rules of offer/demand. Even with a decentralized system, website will still be referenced by natural words ("domains"), which can be owned by only one site-owner at a time, which means there will always be people ready to spent a lot of money to acquire a domain/reference.

I'm for decentralization in general, but in the current case I fail to see how decentralization alone will make domain owning fairer

Re: Save .org

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Post by pcr910303 »

progval wrote: post #148
pcr910303 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks likes you’re wanting the decentralized web [0][1][2]. The DNS equivalent technology there is DHT(distributed hash tables) [3] which was used in torrent technology for a few years. Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech. [0] https://ipfs.io/ [1] https://dat.foundation/ [2] https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/ [3] https://en.wikipedi…

> Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech. The Bittorrent DHT is not fully decentralized, it needs a list of hardcoded bootstrap nodes. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1181301/how-does-a-dht-i...

Well, it's for ease-of-use. Anyone can make an alternative DHT with their own bootstrap nodes, but the Bittorrent main one is the biggest, therefore most programs have that one hard-coded.

Anyone can make an alternative client that uses the exactly same tech with different bootstrap nodes, and once they gain popularity, there will be people using that.

Democratic, I would say.

Re: Save .org

#157

Post by NickNameNick »

At what point does the internet community simply decide to fork the DNS root? I know it's a management nightmare, but the existence of an alternate root would put a cap on the value of the existing one.

Re: Save .org

#159

Post by SyneRyder »

squeezingswirls wrote: post #152

I fully support any campaign against the .org TLD hijacking but it would be good to know who's behind that savedotorg.org domain name. A whois search gives me 'Registrant Organization: Data Protected'. I'd like to know to whom are we giving our email addresses, and what are they going to do with them?

That could be due to GDPR. Some European registry companies believe GDPR makes the collection and publishing of WHOIS data illegal.

ICANN is currently suing a Tucows company in Germany [1] over their refusal to comply with WHOIS data collection, and ICANN published a Temporary Specification that allows/requires every other registry to hide WHOIS data globally pending the result of the GDPR court case [2].

Of course, that doesnt prevent savedotorg.org from posting their own "About Us" webpage explaining who they are.

[1] https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-05-25-en

[2] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data...

Re: Save .org

#160

Post by LudwigNagasena »

tldmanagement wrote: post #136
walrus01 wrote: post #26

Some further background on what happened. I don't see how this can be interpreted as anything other than corruption, plain and simple. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_s... "Former ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade personally registered the domain name currently used by Ethos Capital in May and it was registered as a limited company in the US state of Delaware on May 14. That date is significant becaus…

Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…

How is it “in the air”? It is a non-profit registered in California.
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