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Re: Save .org

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Post by foxhop »

askafriend wrote: post #55
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

> stolen out from under us. Who is "us"? The internet is available to more people in more countries than ever before. There's more content on the internet than ever before. It's a part of every day life for nearly everyone in the world. That's what's happening to the internet. It's no longer a corner where quirky tinkerers were the only ones who could access it. And the promise of the internet was never to be just th…

They can have my last two Legos, these blocks are no longer useful to me. They already have most of the blocks under their control anyways.

Re: Save .org

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Post by autoexec »

gregmac wrote: post #38
windexh8er wrote: post #16

I've been thinking a lot about the sheer downsides of DNS overall. We need something different. Something decentralized, encrypted, something not reliant on a protocol that hasn't kept pace with security and privacy and we need something verifiable that provides accountability. As others have said TLDs have become a racket. Only the priveleged and nation states have the authority to use the system as a funnel of ridi…

If you decentralize, you don't end up with something equivalent to "the internet" anymore -- you end up with several islands of things that (to varying degrees) resemble "the internet", and run on the same layer 4 fabric, but are largely isolated from one another. I think we actually experience a mild version of this today, where entities publish their all their Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Whatsapp/Linkedin e…

> You should have no doubt that, for example, Facebook would make a "the internet" which was 100% Facebook-operated sites.

AOL already tried that back when they were still sending floppies through the mail. They were the largest ISP on earth and couldn't keep people in their little walled off corner of the internet. I don't think anyone else is going to be more successful.

Re: Save .org

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Post by Forge36 »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Host your own website? I have a web server, I manage a VPN for myself (good for traveling and questionable wifi points). Much of the joy of the early internet came from the small groups and light website's. Website's at scale gave a want hard time being small. Share what you care about on your own platform.

Ignore everyone's ring. If you aren't hosting a part of the internet you want. Why would you expect others to?

Re: Save .org

#64

Post by cannonedhamster »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #57
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

How about we just use different domains? .org is gone, use .com or .net or any of the other hundred of domains.

Difficult to do for a nonprofit with a history. This is extortion.

Re: Save .org

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Post by BEEdwards »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #57
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

How about we just use different domains? .org is gone, use .com or .net or any of the other hundred of domains.

As the article points out, .org is the for non profits like .gov is for governments. It adds legitimacy.

Re: Save .org

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Post by autoexec »

behringer wrote: post #49
gowld wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't want DNS anymore, but we don't have a replacement. It's the same as Facebook->Diaspora, Twitter->Mastodon. The non-centralized versions are too hard to deploy to all the non-techies out there, despite being the "morally" correct architecture.

The only thing wrong with DNS is that we entrust it to a corrupt government. It's time another country step in and take control and replace ICANN.

> It's time another country step in and take control

What's to stop them from being just as corrupt? It's too much for any one country to have control over. It'd be far better to come up with a way to take the power out of the hands of any one entity so that we don't have to keep moving it around when the people holding all the power are inevitably corrupted by it.

Re: Save .org

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Post by brianshaler »

askafriend wrote: post #55
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

> stolen out from under us. Who is "us"? The internet is available to more people in more countries than ever before. There's more content on the internet than ever before. It's a part of every day life for nearly everyone in the world. That's what's happening to the internet. It's no longer a corner where quirky tinkerers were the only ones who could access it. And the promise of the internet was never to be just th…

I think the sentiment was regarding the democratization of knowledge and access, which is shifting more toward an oligarchy. True, more of humanity is coming online. However, they can only participate if they can be monetized and controlled by those with all the wealth and power.

Re: Save .org

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Post by cannonedhamster »

tottenhm wrote: post #41

I think it's fair to see private equity as red-flag, and I feel ideologically aligned with the folks raising the alarm here. OTOH, the concerns raised include a lot of speculation (in the form of "could do bad" or "has the power to do bad"), and that's also a red-flag. It's interesting to compare ISOC's blog ( https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2019/11/the-internet-so... ) and the followups like EFF's blog ( https:…

They lied to get price caps removed on .org and then sold it amongst themselves to profit. I'm not sure how you trust people that start with a lie. Look into the history of how shady this really was.

Re: Save .org

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Post by foxhop »

Forge36 wrote: post #63
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Host your own website? I have a web server, I manage a VPN for myself (good for traveling and questionable wifi points). Much of the joy of the early internet came from the small groups and light website's. Website's at scale gave a want hard time being small. Share what you care about on your own platform. Ignore everyone's ring. If you aren't hosting a part of the internet you want. Why would you expect others to?

I host various things at my house even though my ISP prohibits it... We lost that battle a long time ago too.

Re: Save .org

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Post by zadler »

glup wrote: post #59
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Same. Time for a completely different stack / protocol? Like a cloud that is actually a cloud rather than corporate centralization with a side order of surveillance?

More likely, time to move to governed cyber communities, where taxes will go towards providing infrastructure and maintaining rights.
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