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Re: Save .org

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Post by foxhop »

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring".

I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore.

Let the Google's and Facebook's have the old Internet. I'm done with it.

The dream is over. The magic is gone for me. The old Internet is gone. Let them have the rest.

Maybe then, and only then we will rise up like a Phoenix, with a solution that cannot be stolen out from under us.

Re: Save .org

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Post by kotrunga »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Ah man.... the exhaustion I feel... is summed up so well by this comment.

Re: Save .org

#53

Post by exegete »

I can’t visit the site. First there’s an SSL cert problem and when I bypass that Verizon blocks it as malware.

Re: Save .org

#54

Post by Spooky23 »

colordrops wrote: post #47
gregmac wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you decentralize, you don't end up with something equivalent to "the internet" anymore -- you end up with several islands of things that (to varying degrees) resemble "the internet", and run on the same layer 4 fabric, but are largely isolated from one another. I think we actually experience a mild version of this today, where entities publish their all their Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat/Whatsapp/Linkedin e…

Islands already exist, with national firewalls, corporate networks, dark nets, etc. Decentralization of DNS would just take middlemen out of the picture. A dominant decentralized system would probably handle most requests if one were to ever get off the ground, making it equivalent to what we have now.

Why?

DNS worked just fine with nonprofits and government entities who weren’t leeches.

Re: Save .org

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Post by askafriend »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

> stolen out from under us.

Who is "us"?

The internet is available to more people in more countries than ever before. There's more content on the internet than ever before. It's a part of every day life for nearly everyone in the world.

That's what's happening to the internet. It's no longer a corner where quirky tinkerers were the only ones who could access it.

And the promise of the internet was never to be just that.

It was meant to be a vehicle for humanity (along with all it's warts). That's what you're seeing. The rest of humanity coming on-line.

The attitude of "this isn't what it was meant to be" presumes that it was meant to be anything at all. Similar to a kid that doesn't want to share their legos with the rest of the class.

Re: Save .org

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

windexh8er wrote: post #16

I've been thinking a lot about the sheer downsides of DNS overall. We need something different. Something decentralized, encrypted, something not reliant on a protocol that hasn't kept pace with security and privacy and we need something verifiable that provides accountability. As others have said TLDs have become a racket. Only the priveleged and nation states have the authority to use the system as a funnel of ridi…

https://www.handshake.org/

Handshake Name Service (HNS) is working on this problem from an interesting angle, with some significant institutional support.

Re: Save .org

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Post by sieabahlpark »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

How about we just use different domains?

.org is gone, use .com or .net or any of the other hundred of domains.

Re: Save .org

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Post by techsupporter »

robjan wrote: post #37
partiallypro wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it goes up by $1 or $15, how does that hurt non-profits? They aren't going to out price other TLDs, the market isn't that elastic.

If you have already owned your .org, have used it in publicity materials, use it for all of your emails etc. then yes you are pretty much stuck with that domain no matter how much they jack up the price. So the domain is inelastic, that is a change in price will not significantly change demand for those who already own them.

Exactly. As a community, we have routinely given the advice to “own your identity” by buying a domain. Since most of the good com domains are long bought, someone newer to the internet is likely to have looked at org. If someone took us up on our advice in, say, 2014 that means that he or she has had a domain for five years. Five years to integrate that into a life in various ways, remembered or not. And now, that thing could cost $75/year with no recourse.

Then there are people like me. My org domain is so old it can legally drink and soon be able to run for Congress. What is it worth to me? $200/year? $500? $1,000? I don’t know and it sucks to have to consider yet another astoundingly high cost of “living” in a world that keeps going up in cost.

Re: Save .org

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Post by glup »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Same. Time for a completely different stack / protocol? Like a cloud that is actually a cloud rather than corporate centralization with a side order of surveillance?

Re: Save .org

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Post by netfl0 »

visiblink wrote: post #25
netfl0 wrote: post #2

Does any one have a source for the rationale behind the sale? I was surprised it was even considered.

Read this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_s... It appears to be a corrupt inside job.

Wow, despicable. Thank you.
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