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Re: Save .org

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Post by [deleted] »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #57
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

How about we just use different domains? .org is gone, use .com or .net or any of the other hundred of domains.

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Re: Save .org

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Post by pcr910303 »

windexh8er wrote: post #16

I've been thinking a lot about the sheer downsides of DNS overall. We need something different. Something decentralized, encrypted, something not reliant on a protocol that hasn't kept pace with security and privacy and we need something verifiable that provides accountability. As others have said TLDs have become a racket. Only the priveleged and nation states have the authority to use the system as a funnel of ridi…

Looks likes you’re wanting the decentralized web [0][1][2].

The DNS equivalent technology there is DHT(distributed hash tables) [3] which was used in torrent technology for a few years. Ever wondered about how you can find the torrent seeders without a centralized entity? The Bittorrent DHT is the underlying tech.

[0] https://ipfs.io/

[1] https://dat.foundation/

[2] https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

Re: Save .org

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Post by Thorrez »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #57
foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

How about we just use different domains? .org is gone, use .com or .net or any of the other hundred of domains.

When you have a site you want to keep it at that same domain, otherwise all the links to your site around the internet will break.

Re: Save .org

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

zadler wrote: post #70
glup wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Time for a completely different stack / protocol? Like a cloud that is actually a cloud rather than corporate centralization with a side order of surveillance?

More likely, time to move to governed cyber communities, where taxes will go towards providing infrastructure and maintaining rights.

Asking for more government (analog in this case) is just kicking the can down the road.

Your tiny cool self-regulating community, will either die, be eaten by Facebook or become Facebook.

Re: Save .org

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Post by tottenhm »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #68
tottenhm wrote: post #41

I think it's fair to see private equity as red-flag, and I feel ideologically aligned with the folks raising the alarm here. OTOH, the concerns raised include a lot of speculation (in the form of "could do bad" or "has the power to do bad"), and that's also a red-flag. It's interesting to compare ISOC's blog ( https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2019/11/the-internet-so... ) and the followups like EFF's blog ( https:…

They lied to get price caps removed on .org and then sold it amongst themselves to profit. I'm not sure how you trust people that start with a lie. Look into the history of how shady this really was.

Yeah, this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21612033 links to an article on the Register which gives a lot more substance to the concerns/reactions. That deeper story helps to show where the mistrust comes from.

From the peanut gallery, it looks like the ball is in ISOC's+Ethos' court to demonstrate their good faith as stewards...

Re: Save .org

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Post by ftvy »

behringer wrote: post #49
gowld wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't want DNS anymore, but we don't have a replacement. It's the same as Facebook->Diaspora, Twitter->Mastodon. The non-centralized versions are too hard to deploy to all the non-techies out there, despite being the "morally" correct architecture.

The only thing wrong with DNS is that we entrust it to a corrupt government. It's time another country step in and take control and replace ICANN.

ICANN is a non-profit organization, not a government entity.

Re: Save .org

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Post by exikyut »

foxhop wrote: post #51

I think I give up on the Internet that we know today. I'm too tired to fight anymore. Monopoly ISPs with data caps, DNS rent seeking, the walled gardens, the internet of shit where I cannot walk down my street without getting recorded by every house with a "ring". I'm done with it. I don't want to partake anymore, I don't want to fight it anymore, I don't want to care anymore. Let the Google's and Facebook's have the…

Sorry, you're not allowed to leave.

Earlier today I was trying to Google a website I found on my PC a while back. (Backing up its disk atm, and don't use Chrome sync.)

Clicked on an unrelated link, and was already in the process of reaching for the Back button when I realized I was looking at a cert failure (wrong domain in certificate). Heh. Idly curious I hit Continue... And was presented with my first

> Content Denied

> Access to this website has been disabled by an order of the Federal Court of Australia because it infringes or facilitates the infringement of copyright.

> 1800 086 346 for information.

https://i.imgur.com/fwXRlTN.png

After recovering from the shock - this sort of thing only happens in 3rd world repressive countries, right??? - I went back and tried the domain referenced in the cert.

Haha I've probably lit a billion lists up like Christmas trees now... I got this: https://i.imgur.com/w37jfFt.png

Here's the cert error, for reference: https://i.imgur.com/dZmEcnd.png

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