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When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by ben_jones »

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #256
juancn wrote: post #121

Cloud gaming is solution looking for a problem. It's not customer demand driven. Nobody want's cloud gaming (at least not yet). They haven't shown anything compelling why this would be a game changer for end users. The games are not more fun or unique than on any other platforms. Any of the cloud arguments also hold for consoles or PCs on internet connected games. I think the site may be a bit optimistic.

> They haven't shown anything compelling why this would be a game changer for end users. I don't get this view. They really did show compelling, game-changing features for the end-user, if you watched their talks and demos. They showed lots of potentially game-changing features for developers too, which impact the products, which impact the users. Most of it is vaporware at this point though, and what we have in Stad…

I disagree. There's a lot of shilling in the games industry and if you pull back even the first layer you'll see a lot of discrepancies crop up. The tear down of the controller, the fact that they didn't allow internet speed tests during live demos, and a lot of videos on youtube showing game-breaking latencies. I think it's still new and you may be proven right, that these are early quirks that are fixable. But I don't think they will be outside of ideal internet connections and very specific games.

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Post by sjs382 »

monocasa wrote: post #284
iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

How does one provide migration paths when Google owns the data, licenses, etc. on their servers? Just one of many ways that Service as a Software Substitute reduces user freedom.

Google will provide you with downloads your data for a lot of their projects: https://takeout.google.com/

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Post by dylan-m »

iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

This is, to some extent, what Feedly did. They started off as a really nice, somewhat niche magazine-style news reader built on Google Reader. When Google Reader shut down, it was in their best interest to implement the API themselves. They had the very clever idea to make that a _public_ API, just like Google Reader, so in the end all kinds of apps and services wanted to use it, and it seems they're doing really well. (I'm still a big fan of their own news reader, and have a Feedly t-shirt somewhere…). I'd be very interested to hear the full story of the Google Reader debacle from their end :)

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Post by jmkni »

arcturus17 wrote: post #234

I really don’t get the hate... I’m reading that in general UX is pretty good. I only have a Switch so haven’t been able to play RDR2 or AC Odissey... The solution seems perfect for me given the price point and I’m seriously considering picking it up. When I worked for Nintendo we broadly called the segment I’m in “lapsed gamer” and it’s actually a pretty big niche... What I read between the lines is that people are p…

That describes me as well, as a kid and a teenager I was mad into gaming, lost interest as I entered my 20's, now in my 30s and want to get back into it.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by geddy »

It blows my mind that anyone would support something like this. You're spending full price on a _streamed game_ that will be instantly remove when a) Google deems the service not profitable and closes the doors, rendering your money wasted, b) rights expire for certain games, c) some PR nightmare occurs from a CEO of a game company or something and they respond by removing affiliations.

Digital games are bad enough in that they can be pulled out out of the respective stores whenever, but when you can't even have it downloaded to your own console? Get out of here. What utter nonsense.

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Post by abawany »

ryanmercer wrote: post #78
roland35 wrote: post #14

This makes me shed a solitary tear for Google Reader :'( And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

>And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,( To be fair, Gmail has been my primary email since early 2009 and I'd never even heard of Inbox until people on Leo Laporte's podcast started whining it was going away.

I am surprised to hear this because I OTOH thought Google's attempts to corral people into Inbox when it came out were obnoxious. The app notifications, the Play Store nudges, etc. I tried it since I got the impression from the nudges that maybe Gmail was going to get knifed; I hated it and went back to Gmail.

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Post by modwilliam »

mmanfrin wrote: post #202
40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

Glass cost money, more than 10x what this cost, and that was not a signal of their long term ambition. The problem with Stadia is that it costs money, the service costs a monthly fee, and on top of it you have to buy the games. What happens to those games if you stop paying the fee? If you stop using Stadia? If Google deprecates Stadia like many are worried. I'll tell you: you lose the game. If I, conversely, buy the…

> it costs money, the service costs a monthly fee, and on top of it you have to buy the games

While this is true now, you'll later be able to play games by only paying a monthly fee or only buying the game for the normal The problem you have with the service potentially going away also applies to Steam, to a lesser degree. I acknowledge that they have a proven track record now and also require much less to continue serving games though.

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Post by idank »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #192
idank wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is honestly out right depressing to think there are people who extract joy out of these kinds of messages. I know this whole thing is meant to be a joke, but come on, people need to get over themselves. You can live life, have good moments, enjoy and have a good laugh about things without it coming at someone else's expense. People have spent a good portion of their working life to put this product out there. It…

> It might even get cancelled a year from now. None of that matters To the customers who spent money on Stadia and games on Stadia only to have it shut down and leave their games inaccessible it matters. If this were a free service there wouldn't be so much negative chatter about it. This is mostly people warning others to consider purchasing Stadia may be equivalent to a high-priced one year subscription.

No one is forcing any of those people to buy it. It is not the only way to play video games. Don't like it? Move on with your life.

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Post by nradov »

throwaway35784 wrote: post #116
irrational wrote: post #4

Honestly, as soon as Google announces a new product, my first thought is to wonder how long until it is shut down. Google has completely lost my trust in relying on any of their products. Even when they come out and claim that this product will not be cancelled, for reals this time, pinky promise, etc. I simply can't believe them.

Aside: Costumers, er prospects rather, love my products until the end when they ask, "so... how many people work there?" As though that would indicate how likely it is that the product will have a long life. They are telling me with that question they want my software for a long time. But when they hear the answer they bail. I still don't know how to get over that hump.

You'll have to find some early adopters who are willing to take a risk in order to solve a critical business problem. Once you have those few reference customers, additional sales become much easier and you can afford to hire more employees.

In the short term try offering to put the source code in escrow so that if your company fails the customers can take over the product themselves. This reduces their risk a little, at least for large enterprises with competent IT departments.

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