I'm dense. How does "Always strive for the next version of your product to be thinner and lighter than the current one." become "Ive Doctrine"?
He famously pushed it at the expense of good engineering, reliability, build quality, battery life, performance, and all the other things people want in a device. Apple over-indulged him.
The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’
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#42I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…
I think the synergy of the Ive-Jobs relationship was that Ive was the "how it looks" guy, and Jobs was the "how it works" guy, and the "how it works" guy always had final say on a product. Looking at the past few years, it seems clear that the "how it looks" guy was the one with final say on a product.
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#43Then hopefully somebody will start making "reasonable-sized" phones again. Something like iPhone4/5 size with full-size displays.
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#44Next they need to phase out lightning now that usb-c is here.
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#45> There was an interesting idea floating around Designer News—Without Steve Jobs nobody can contain Johnny Ive.
> Jobs was a champion of the user. Tim Cook's specialty is in logistics, and probably defaults to Ive on many product decisions. In the mean time Ive continues designing beautiful products that focus on beauty and compromise on function.
> I doubt that's the case, but I like the theory.
Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’
#46I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…
exception: the 2017 macbook pro trackpad. it's not great. i don't know how many times i had to plug a mouse in to get drag and drop to work...
Re: The 16-inch MacBook Pro is a repudiation of the ‘Ive Doctrine’
#47I think Ive needed Jobs to provide some user feedback he would listen to ahead of product release. Without Jobs, it's taken Apple years to get keyboards back on track. Which is absurd given that their desktop keyboard is really good. I haven't bought any Apple products for years, except for their peripherals. Their touchpad is excellent, and there's no other alternative in the market I know of that works decently in…
I guess that is pretty subjective. I for one, hate Apple desktop keyboards. Not only the feel of it, but the layout (in my country) is different than the PC keyboards which drives me nuts.
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#48Wow, this website eats CPU processing power like candy. It distracts from reading if your fan screams at you.
I'm amazed just how many websites my '19 MacBook Air struggles with. That's not an indictment of the Air, which I bought fully cognizant of the battery / heat / power tradeoffs. The Air is happy to run native design, etc. software. The only time I feel its performance limitations is when I'm browsing the goddamned web . Running a Pro most of the time it's easy to overlook just what utter pigs many websites are today.…
Most of them must also lack the skill, given how difficult it is to squeeze performance out of a web app...
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not convinced removing the headphone jack was purely a design decision, but rather strengthening apple's position in the accessories market, as it is able to control the software side of bluetooth headphones, making high margin airpods more attractive. With a headphone jack the playing field was flatter for other headphone manufacturers.
iPhones work with any BT headphones.
With a headphone jack I can unplug from my phone and plug into my laptop.
But once those devices loose headphone jacks I can’t just switch to BT headphones. But I can switch to AirPods. Which seem quite expensive.
What other Bluetooth headphones can easily switch from my MacBook to my iPhone?
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#50Grab a wireless Apple Magic Keyboard and stick it directly on top of the current IVE keyboard and use Karabiner elements to disable the MBP's internal keyboard.
I actually genuinely enjoy this computer now. A few days ago I was trying to figure out how to sell it and get a new 16" one, but honestly Apple doesn't deserve my money or attention anymore.